Romans 10:1 - 21
The idea of salvation is in regard to the present time. The coming of the Lord changes the whole condition of things here upon earth. Now, nothing is changed outwardly, and yet salvation has come in, salvation from what is here. In this chapter the important thing is confession. What we want in regard of God is righteousness. What we want in regard of enemies is salvation. When Israel saw their enemies dead on the sea-shore it was salvation for them. Salvation is now realised in the confession that Christ is Lord. That is the condition of salvation. The great thought of the kingdom is salvation. Confession is the habit or attitude of the soul. It is characteristic of the man that he calls Christ "Lord", owning His authority and power. We grow up to salvation by tasting that the Lord is gracious and then we desire the sincere milk of the word. Salvation is from your enemies and from the hand of all that hate you. Israel's enemies were outward -- ours are spiritual enemies.
Salvation is from all that to which a man's soul is in bondage, from that he needs to be saved. It is present and it is in order that we may serve God. This is the purpose of the gospel. In the first eight chapters of Romans we get how God brings this about. The kingdom of God exists now in the soul of the believer. It is in the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is in the soul of the believer. "He shall save his people from their sins" means from the governmental consequences of their sins. You could not be in salvation apart from the Holy Spirit.
Israel will have to pay the uttermost farthing. It will be the discipline through which they pass in the great tribulation. When a soul is awakened what he wants
is righteousness. You must have belief in the heart before confession. Righteousness lies in believing God's testimony. Confession with the mouth cannot be until the Holy Spirit is received -- no one can call Jesus "Lord" but by the Holy Spirit. When the power and authority of the Lord is owned in the soul all fears are removed and you have on the helmet of salvation. Confession is characteristic: it is not one act only, and the man can stand against any evil -- he has no fears. The great point that Christ is risen is God's testimony. Man cannot have to do with God as a mere act of mind -- it must be the heart -- man's mind is an eye.
Christ is the testimony which God has been pleased to set forth to men. Men are not free to serve God until they are at liberty to worship God -- they must be set free from bondage first. The coming of the Lord brings in the kingdom but we have it now in the Holy Spirit who is the power to maintain it in us. "Righteousness, and peace, and joy". Israel never sang "Jehovah reigneth" till they were over the Red Sea. 'Salvation' is from what is without -- 'deliverance' is from what is within. In order to be maintained in the enjoyment of salvation there must be the continuance in confessing Christ as Lord. The Holy Spirit not only starts a person but He maintains him in it and produces "righteousness, and peace, and joy".
Death is God's judgment, the fear of death is in the hands of the devil and salvation removes this fear. The purpose of the gospel is to bring salvation to man, so that he may be delivered from his enemies and set free to serve God. Every intelligent being ought to serve God. God is entitled to the service of every man. Anyone who has apprehended the grace of God will desire to serve God. Salvation is an effective thing -- it is a question of realisation. The power and authority of the Lord are maintained in us by the Holy Spirit.
Righteousness means that you are free from liability.
Enjoyment is found in God Himself. The grace of God brings salvation to you -- salvation from the power of evil.
This epistle is addressed to one who was by birth a Jew. It was to establish on a broad platform the ways of God in the gospel. The reason is given in verses 15 and 16 of chapter 3. This is a very different idea from all that was in the mind of the Jew in regard to God. The Jew looked upon God as a kind of national God, but here all is on the broad platform of the gospel. Christ gave Himself a ransom for all, and it shows the place which the house of God has in respect of God's ways in the testimony.
The first great thing for the servant was how to behave himself in the house of God -- this is most important. Many think that because they have the Scriptures they are independent of the house of God. If a man has not learnt how to behave himself in the house of God, he cannot be an effective servant because the house of God is the pillar and base of the truth. The house of God is the assembly of the living God -- it is still here. If a man receives light from God, He will put him in circumstances where he can carry it out. The two things go together -- the enlightenment and the circumstances in which you can carry it out -- where you can conduct yourself on the principles of the house of God. This is individual. One has to find out what the house of God is by the Spirit, which is innate in every christian. The house of God is soon found when people are conscious of the presence of the Spirit. It is astonishing how soon people are clear as to the house of God when they are clear as to the presence of the Spirit. The Spirit brings us into the house -- it is a place of prayer, a place where God dwells and where you get acquainted with God and you learn what is suited to Him. You never find the house of God spoken of in any epistle to
the church. It is spoken of either in the catholic epistles, such as Peter's, or it is to the servant.
You have the temple in Corinthians, but it was characteristic there -- it was their place and privilege. He was impressing upon the Corinthians holiness and unity. The temple is not so wide a thought as the house -- the former being connected more with sanctity. The temple of God is holy. You get God's family, which is God's house or His household. The "house of Aaron" meant Aaron and his descendants -- that is the idea of house now; those born of God are His house. Thus a christian is never out of the house for he forms part of it. Jew and gentile are built together, thus it covers the whole company of God's chosen. This is why it is not a local assembly. It is the house of God because God dwells there. As a man is known by his house so God is to be known in His house as a Saviour God and a God of grace -- His children are to be the expression of this. God gave testimony to Israel but very little testimony went out from Israel, but now the house is evangelical. The work of God through the evangelist should go on whatever the state of confusion in the world, because the house is still there.
Baptism brings you into the system of christianity in contrast to judaism. It brings you into the "court which is without", Revelation 11:2. John was to measure the altar and the temple and the worshippers -- the true thing -- but not the court without. Children do not form part of the house of God but they are in the kingdom, "for the kingdom of the heavens is of such" (Matthew 19:14), and they come within the court of the temple but do not form part of the house itself.
The epistles are addressed to those who were on the ground of profession. What characterises the house of God is life, it cannot go beyond the limits of the Spirit; it is a spiritual house. The "great house" is the system of profession built up by man and it will be
rejected. The house of God is composed of those who obey the gospel of God. Those who do not obey are left to judgment on account of the jealousy of God with regard to His children. There is no confusion in what is of God: the confusion is in what man has set up. What has been built by Christ has been obscured -- but it is there all the same. Everything is of the living God -- the christian is the child of the living God -- everything is connected with the living God who has come out in the power of resurrection. You cannot connect a dead world with a living God -- death is upon all else.
"My house" is the centre of approach for all the world (Isaiah 56:1 - 8). It gives you the idea of it -- a centre of gathering, not only for Israel but for all nations. Jehovah was the God of the whole earth. The Spirit of adoption brings you beyond anything of earth. A man goes up to the house of God in his own soul, in the apprehension of it. All progress must be spiritual. First we go into the courts of the tabernacle and eventually find ourselves in God's house. We never can know God except in His own house. Every child of God who has the Spirit forms part of God's house. Every justified person has the Spirit.
The point in 1 Timothy 2 is "testimony" -- what suits God. If I go into a man's house I study him because I would like to be in accord with that person and with his mind. So, in God's house both the men and the women have to be in accord with God. The house of God is known by the prevalence of unity. The house of God is what God has set up here on earth -- it is the work of God and no one had any hand in building it but Christ. Responsibility connects itself with the ground people take. If you take the place of a servant you have to be faithful. Christ is Son over God's house but you are companions of Christ there. You could not enter the holiest save as in the house of God. The house of God will ultimately take in the whole universe;
"... whose house are we, if ..". (Hebrews 3:6) -- that is we are tested. The Spirit of God will not own them unless they hold fast.
The thought of affection and love is proper to the house of God because God is there known according to His nature. Piety ought to be the great characteristic of the house of God. Faith is the introduction into God's things, but piety brings God into my things and there is a lack of piety in christians generally. The knowledge of God in the house ought to beget piety and confidence. It is a mystery because the care of God to His children is not manifest! There is no moment of your lifetime when you are not of God's house. It would be bordering on irreverence for any one christian to address God as "my Father". In approaching God, as Father, you have to acknowledge that you are one of many children. You say 'our Father' -- the Lord only could say "my Father". God dwells in His house and His testimony is where God is. The saints in chapter 2 are looked upon as in a place of intercession in connection with the testimony of God to the world, and His mind and attitude to the world. In going out in testimony men ought to carry the sense of the house with them; and to enter into the mind of God who will have all men to be saved. We should take character from God. We testify that the "Father has sent the Son as Saviour of the world", 1 John 4:14. You hold forth the word of life. Every christian has a certain responsibility with regard to evangelistic work; first in intercession and then in the conduct of the men and the women which often hinders the testimony. They may very easily hinder it -- they must not falsify his testimony. If a man does not lift up holy hands and if a woman adorns herself in worldly attire, they give people the impression that God is going on with the world. But God is acting entirely outside the world's order. God is one, and in regard to the testimony of God it is outside all nationality. The
church looks at the world as a whole and prays for all, it has no national place. It desires the quiet of the world that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life. No European country has any national existence in the eye of God, they form part of the fourth beast (the Roman power).
We should honour the Government and the powers that be. I am bound to honour the king and to submit to the powers that be. The house of God is world-wide, that is the great point. The relation of God in regard to His house does not recognise any nationality. We want to get an apprehension of the house of God as morally outside of the whole world's system. Verse 4 means that there is nothing in God's mind against any man. His nature is love and it is love toward all men. We must not stretch the passage to mean "purpose". Why do not men get the benefit of God's testimony? It is not God's fault that men are not brought into the enjoyment of His grace: it is man's fault. It is in the consciousness of this that we go out with the gospel, but the practical difficulty is that christendom knows it.
John 3:14 - 21
It is the feature of John's writings that he takes you back to the source of things and then takes you on to the final result. He does not take up what is intermediate. There is not much in John about grace and righteousness and justification, but what does come out is desire, love and eternal life -- he takes you back to what is the source of grace. So you get the statement here in the 16th verse, the love of God as the source and eternal life as the result. Grace and righteousness come in between the two. Christ is the fountain of the water of life. Where the love was expressed no one was outside the "whosoever", but now many are outside it. All is brought to an issue by the presence of the light. The light has come in and man has not believed it, so he is already judged. This issue is universal in its aspect and bearing, or rather, was universal. There was a moment when God came into the world, and His coming into the world has altered things greatly. Light has come into the world and men loved darkness rather than light. Love finds its rest and satisfaction in those who have eternal life. The coming of God into the world was light and men were found out by the light.
"God is love". No one of us can understand a Being who is love. We accept it, but cannot understand it, because we are finite. Judas was in the world when God gave His Son, but Judas was the son of perdition. God's love has gone out to every man -- God so loved "that he gave". The testimony of the cross is towards every man. The testimony of the gospel is the testimony of the grace of God. "He that believes not has been already judged" (verse 18) -- they are irreconcilable and we could not say that God loves them. God
knows them, I do not know them. We are justified in telling people that God came into the world in the Person of His Son and He is the object for faith, so there is the chance of eternal life for man. Paul prays that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men because "all men have not faith". God knows them. There is in the world irreconcilable hatred to God. If a man has turned away from the faith you can have nothing to say to him. The love of God was expressed in sending His Son into the world.
God's attitude towards the world is not changed but the world's attitude to Him is changed. He proved His love to the world and it was the end of the world because His love was rejected. His love has achieved its purpose and found its rest and satisfaction in those who have eternal life.
The state of the case is that God's coming into the world brought irreconcilable hatred to God. In preaching you want to present the truth. We are perfectly safe in saying that the love of God is proved by men having eternal life. There is the purpose of God -- the purpose of love. "God who is rich in mercy" etc. This verse 16 is not purpose -- it is on the ground of "whosoever". All the world were enemies to God and God loved the world in spite of its enmity. The world is condemned already. The presence of Christ brought out man's enmity. The fact of our being sinners did not hinder God's love -- He loved us in spite of our being sinners. What we can say to any man is that God's love has been manifested: and on the ground of that is "whosoever".
If you see a soul accept the testimony you know that there is a divine work there. You cannot say that God loves all men, for there are men who are obnoxious to God -- those who are "already judged". Those who have eternal life have left the world. Men are not "already judged" until they have rejected Christ. If a man is not subject to the Son the wrath of God continues
on him -- he is already judged -- it is not 'he will be judged'. There is a door out to any and every man but there is no such application to an apostate. God came close to man in love and this was the test to man.
Virtually in the eye of God the world is divided into two classes -- those who do not believe in the Son -- and those who have everlasting life. The heathen are in a different position to christendom. You could take John 3:16 to the heathen. God proves His love by coming into the world and the door is still open. The difficulty in this day is that christendom has been formed by the testimony. If the purpose of God's love had effect all would have eternal life. Verse 16 is a great revelation of God and in this way a man may be greatly affected by it. The testimony was clearly set forth at the outset -- but now it is obscured.
The difference between grace and love is that you could not say God is grace but you do say God is love. Grace is the way God adapts Himself to the need of the sinner. Grace reigns through righteousness unto eternal life. God is the creditor -- man the debtor. Grace meets him and love is behind the grace. There are those who are in the purpose of God's love. Paul was one -- a pattern of the elect. The attitude of God is grace toward all men. "Not willing that any should perish". The glad tidings are glad tidings of the grace of God. The love is behind it and it has eternal life in view. Grace is an activity of love. Love will satisfy itself. Love was there before the necessity for grace existed. The door is open for everyone and the love of God has come in to open the door -- so that anyone may go out. "Whosoever will, let him take" etc. Those who go out at the door which God has opened go out into the love and leave the world. You could not apply this to sinners generally. Christ had to come in and meet the state of every man (verse 14). God's purpose had to be accomplished.
Christ is the Son of man on behalf of men and Son
of God on behalf of God. Romans 5:8 refers to saints. The cross is a standing witness to the love of God. God has done all that love could do. All that remains for God to do in regard to the world is to judge the world. There is nothing for the world, as the world, but judgment. "Now is the judgment of this world;" John 12:31. Christ wants people to be saved and leave the world -- the door is still open -- because of the death and resurrection of Christ. God, at the cost of His own Son, has opened the door out of the world. I can preach Christ as far as I know Him, and no more. If people are determined to remain in the world, they are "already judged", but we preach a way out of the world. It is there for "whosoever will" to go out of it. Satan is the god and prince of the world -- but anyone may leave the world by faith in Christ -- Christ receives sinners in grace. I should tell sinners that Christ receives them in grace. God does not love us because we were sinners but in spite of our being sinners -- it was the love of purpose. When you have got the Holy Spirit you are proved to be the elect of God. Romans 5:8 is spoken of those who have the Holy Spirit. The grace of God brings salvation to all men and they are tested by the light. On the one hand they get eternal life and on the other they are "already judged". The kindness and love of God our Saviour has appeared -- you cannot improve upon that! Things are far more accurately expressed by the Spirit of God than we can express them. God made man and He loved the man He made, but that was not when the man was a sinner. Man now finds a place in heaven and Satan is cast out because he has corrupted the man whom God loved. If a man rejects Christ he puts himself outside the love of God. The gospel comes in by Christ holding the door open for man to leave the world. The great object of all preaching is to lead souls to Christ so that they may get living water, but in order to reach Christ they must leave the world -- they
cannot find Christ in this world. That is when baptism comes in -- it means a man leaving the world. A man is manifested before God. Repentance is preached in the way of grace, not in the way of demand. A man cannot repent until he believes. The great subject of preaching is Christ. Death is upon man and judgment is before him. The great point is to preach what you know and what you know is by the Spirit. The lake of fire is connected with the sovereignty of God -- it is beyond me altogether. If the preacher does not preach Christ he has nothing to preach.
1 Timothy 4:1 - 16
This chapter and the remainder of the epistle have to do with the latter times of defection. This is why he is exhorted to take heed to the doctrine. We come to this point that we contemplate the presence of the Spirit in the house of God and the utterances of His voice in the way of warning against defection. The Spirit of God keeps an eye upon things and is always upon the alert to warn against defection. Verse 6 indicates the direction which evil would take, setting up abstinence as a kind of superior sanctity. It is the principle of ritualism and the acknowledgment of the flesh. Timothy was to be on the alert and to warn the saints against things which tend to corrupt. Many things appear specious and people are taken in by them before they know. It is not everyone who can see what principles are involved in things which may naturally appear very good. The apostle exposes the evil of the thing in itself, he says "For every creature of God is good", etc. (verse 4).
The presence of the Spirit gives a proper place to every ordinance of God -- it does not set them aside. It is one great proof of the Spirit of God that every ordinance of God is maintained in its proper place -- marriage and such like. Celibacy would be introduced into the established church if they dared to do it. If you take Papacy it is all a system of lies, and ritualism is not much better. The only idea they have of holiness is in a material way. All that system is hypocrisy without their knowing it, and then the conscience becomes cauterised. If the conscience were alive they would be afraid to touch these things. The men are the demons, as satanic doctrine may characterise a man. What satanic influence is being carried out in the world
under the name of Christ! Prayers for the dead, etc. is doctrine of demons. In the house of God the Spirit of God keeps up His warning voice against these things, but they go on in the "great house" -- christendom!
It is evil coming in in a systematic form -- they depart from the faith -- it is apostasy in principle, though it is connected by profession with the name of Christ. It is departure from the faith and the introduction of a great deal which was originally heathenish. It is not like the tares; they are heresies. Corruption is subtle because it is generally things carried beyond their proper limits, which were originally of God. Death with Christ is right but if you carry it too far and make it death to nature, it is corruption.
Men trafficking in divine things end in having their consciences cauterised. The best man that ever lived can get corrupted by dabbling in evil. The corrective is piety, for piety respects every divine ordinance. You get piety on the part of children to parents because it is a divine ordinance. It is a divine ordinance that God is the preserver of all, specially of those that believe, because they respect every ordinance of God. A priest goes in for celibacy because he disregards the ordinance of God. You draw on a living God -- that is what piety does. The apostle went on labouring and suffering reproach because he trusted in a living God. There is no moral corruption in any food -- it is set apart for man's use. A man never abuses what he receives with thanksgiving; it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. The word of God here is the principle through which we know God -- the testimony of God -- and prayer is testimony with God. The creatures of God are properly for those who stand in relation to God and we stand in relation with God through His word and prayer -- a divine testimony having reached us. It is intercourse with God (verse 6). The way in which divine things have reached us are as food to us. The words in which the faith is expressed are taken up and
become food to us. The faith must be conveyed to us in words. A man cannot pretend to anything beyond what be has attained but be is nourished by the faith and sound doctrine. It is in the Holy Spirit. The mind of God is there to perfection for the Spirit is the truth. Christ is the Spirit of truth objectively and the Spirit is it subjectively. You must have the medium of communication and there are the Scriptures.
The Jews have the Scriptures but they have no light from God so that they are a dead letter to them. Until God begins to work in the Jews it is no use. You can only know divine words by the things. Whatever Scripture contains you get intelligently, but you have it first by the Spirit. It is possible to have your head crammed full of doctrine and know nothing by the Spirit. You get no real light beyond the teaching of the Spirit. What can be more important than that a man should have the truth in a divinely appointed form and the Scriptures give you the truth in a divinely appointed form. A man needs to get the truth in a divinely given shape.
If a man made light of the Scriptures that man could not be led of the Spirit of God. Our minds are liable to run riot and we need the Scriptures to keep us within bounds. The intelligence of the house comes by the Spirit. If Paul had attempted to communicate to the saints anything outside of the knowledge of the twelve apostles they would have been justified in refusing it -- for all had come out in Christ. The Spirit had brought all things to their remembrance, whatever He had said to them. Nothing could be taught by Paul which had not come out in Christ Himself. It was given to Paul to communicate it -- not to the twelve. It was impossible that the Spirit could seal an incomplete testimony. The Spirit of God is the witness for Christ and He maintains the truth. God, in His wisdom, has given the Scriptures for a guard but the Spirit is the power of the testimony. He is the witness for Christ.
People need an interpreter and God, in His mercy, furnishes the key -- the Spirit of God and He uses a vessel. What was given to Paul completed the testimony of God.
It was not given to Peter to give out the truth of the assembly -- it was given to Paul. The apostle deposited the testimony in the church -- for the assembly is the pillar and base of the truth. All light is got by the Spirit of God from Christ. No one can attempt to define how the Spirit of God teaches -- it is the anointing. Man is to have the light of life. The word of God in Scripture is a moral idea -- "For the word of God is living and operative", etc. Hebrews 4:12. Christ was the Word of God -- it was not simply the words He said -- but He was it.
The great fact of the resurrection is the word of God -- it is God's testimony -- Christ is God's great expression of Himself.
In chapter 6 we find heterodoxy; any man who would use christianity to upset the ordinances of God is heterodox. A christian does not seek to undermine what God has established. Christ taught His disciples to respect things which existed. This chapter 6 is dissent and also suffering worldly advantage to be an end in piety; pursuing and using christianity as a means for present advantage. All the principles which we see abroad at the present time, the Spirit warned against at the outset. It all shows the importance of not being affected by what you see, but by the Spirit of God. All outside the Spirit of God means departure. There is a great deal amongst us that is only external -- we can only help each other as inside what is of the Spirit. Brethrenism might have a very great semblance of the truth and yet be very far from it.
Timothy is the typical servant -- he continues until the coming of the Lord -- Paul passed off this scene. We should be very well content to be judged by Scripture in all that we say and put forth.
2 Timothy 1:1 - 18
The first epistle lays down the course and conduct of the servant when the house is in order -- the second when all is in confusion. In the second the house is not seen and when the house is no longer seen as a witness then it is that life comes into prominence. A pillar is a witness. "Great house" is a figure -- an analogy.
Life is that by which you can counteract the force of evil -- what is genuine witnesses itself. The epistle has its importance in being addressed to the servant -- he has to go on with those who are like-minded -- those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
Paul charged him to keep the commandments irreproachable until the appearing, so that the servant is looked upon as continuing until the appearing. The only way in which the house can express itself or come into view is by life. The house is spiritual life brought to light. The magicians could imitate up to a point, but they could not produce life. What good are we as to the existing state of things around us save as there is evidence in us of spiritual vitality -- we are not a single bit of good beyond that. We get the marks of it in the epistles. There is wonderful energy about life -- an energy that will not be overcome. You cannot get the unity of the Spirit in that way but you ought to see the energy of life in being superior to the state of things around and going on in spite of it all (verse 7).
The energy of life overcomes death. Everything serves God's purpose even though the church has failed as a witness. The apostle speaks of himself in the first chapter as an apostle according to the promise of life in Christ Jesus. It is prominence given to Christ as Head -- life and incorruptibility are brought to light. So the great thing for us is to be apart from Adam and from
the world. All is "in Christ Jesus" now -- we get it seven times in this epistle. The collective thing has failed so we cannot look for it now. In the first two chapters of this epistle a company is contemplated but in the last chapters the servant is standing alone. The servant has to be prepared to stand alone if need be, as the apostle found himself alone. You are prepared for what may never occur. It would not be the mind of God that such should be. Paul committed his happiness to the Lord "against that day". It was not the idea of making the best of both worlds. He had suffered the loss of everything here.
In chapter 4: 3 - 5 Timothy is contemplated as alone -- it is what the servant must be prepared for. There might be a good many Timothy's and the energies of life coming out in each! What is right for the servant is right for everybody! The servant is simply a pattern -- he sets the example. The servant is not worth much if he does not set the example. In chapter 2 you get his course -- his relation to things. It marks out the course and path of the servant and in which he is to be the pattern for others to follow. It is not only what a man says but what a man is -- this is his power -- he must be an exponent of the truth. Many do not get beyond a thought of expounding Scripture! Everything to the man of God is in the Spirit of God and the Spirit's work. Gift is by the Spirit direct from Christ. A man might be able to set forth truth and yet have no gift at all. It does not depend on a man's acquirements. Gift would, in a measure, affect people, as Christ affected people. An evangelist would affect people by the glad tidings as Christ did though not in the same measure. The person is characterised by the gift. The perfection of all was in Christ and He gives what is of Himself.
Evangelists, pastors and teachers, still exist -- they are all of Christ Himself. Christ receives them from God to give them. The servant is to use what he is entrusted with. We have not to be taken up with what is going
on but turn away and pursue a dear path.
It is not ecclesiastical -- it is moral. "In Christ Jesus" is in contrast to Adam, as head of another stock and all that is done here for God is in that "man Christ Jesus". All is life in contrast to death. Life comes out morally in faith and love and grace, etc. Where are they if not in Christ Jesus? They are not in "us"! They come out in us by the Spirit. These things never were in Adam -- it is all in Christ Jesus. Faith, love and grace are characteristic of Christ. He is the source of them. Circumstances have changed but He has not changed morally for He is the same "yesterday, and today, and for ever". He was the Head of a new stock the moment He became Man.
Christ "risen" is the common testimony to Jew and gentile. Everyone who has the Spirit is in Christ. But you must be born again first or there would be nothing for the Spirit to attach Himself to if we were not born again. Nothing will avail down here except as what is of Christ. If a servant takes up the methods of the world sooner or later he will become the world's servant and be overcome by the world. Spurgeon is a sample of it -- he wrote against the down grade and he adopted the ways of the world and fell under the power of it, and when on his death-bed all the great people of the world were enquiring after him. In a day of departure such as the present, nothing of Adam or of the world will stand -- the only thing in real power is in Christ Jesus. Our faith is that Jesus is the Son of God.
"My gospel" was the testimony confided to Paul -- he presented that Christ world-wide, as He is, is the expression of God's mind for man. The portion of anyone, who believes the apostle's gospel at the present time, is complete conformity to Christ. This is a world-wide Christ in glory as God's thought for man, and that comes out at the rejection of Stephen's testimony. God revealed His Son in him that he might testify of Him among the god-making heathen (Galatians 1:16).
Life and incorruptibility are brought to light in respect of man in Christ risen. The testimony of our Lord is the testimony which the Lord had confided and Paul was the special vessel of the testimony. The subject of it was Christ. We ought not to be ashamed of this testimony. The Holy Spirit carries it out now. It means the complete displacement of man as man -- hence comes in the rub! God gets rid of the best as well as the worst! and man does not like to be displaced. The testimony brings out all that is in the heart of God for man. The gospel means to carry into effect what was effected on the cross -- which is reconciliation; that is, that man is utterly set aside. This brings opposition. If you maintain the gospel as Paul did you will get into trouble. It is impossible in the very nature of things that, when God has removed the man who was obnoxious to Him, He will suffer that man now.
What we want to manifest is that we are from the stock of the Man who was raised from the dead. You may preach God's thoughts to man but whether man can take in God's thoughts is another matter -- so that is where ministry comes in. The distance is gone for man and where the distance was there is complacency -- that is that God can have complacency, not in me, but in Christ. God has only Christ before Him. It is very wonderful to see how the power of life comes out in the apostle in this epistle. All men forsook him, but there was not a bit of 'give in' in the apostle. In the present day it is a difficult thing to stand rigidly apart from the evangelical work. People are bonded together in societies and all their bond is work -- it is a kind of world of its own. Their gospel does not come up to the ministry of reconciliation! It does not go beyond meeting the need of man. Results wholly depend upon God. You can present the light of God, but results accomplish the sovereign purpose of God. This is the work of the gospel.
If God causes the sun to shine the light is for every
man. The light fell upon the pieces of silver and the silver was manifested by the light. The great object of the light coming into a city is to make manifest the elect. When the church got under the power of the world, it adopted the world's methods. If an evangelist came into a town there would be no harm in going from house to house and giving a notice, but in posters and placards you are trading on the world's toleration of christianity. It is the right thing for saints in a place to try and bring in all they can, but we want to be independent of the world and its toleration. If we do not stand clear of the world we shall come under the power of it. When Hezekiah showed all his things to the king of Babylon he was in his power and the people were carried captive to Babylon. Whatever trades on the world's toleration puts you under its power. You may preach when you like in the open air for the air does not belong to the world! The point is that God never intended the gospel or those who preach it to be in bondage to the world. The great thing in the gospel is to take men out of the world. It is not fair to preach in a chapel, because if the people to whom I preach accepted my preaching it would break up the chapel! The Spirit of God was enough at the beginning, for three thousand people were converted at one preaching. Now it takes three thousand preachings to convert one man!
Isaiah 51:5 - 6; Romans 12:2
Righteousness and salvation are coincident and contemporary -- this is an important point to remember. You get it in Isaiah 51:5 - 6 -- all prove that God's righteousness and His salvation are parallel -- they run together. Salvation is one step further than righteousness. Righteousness is that we stand in relation to God morally. If a man is not in righteousness, he is in lawlessness. God has had in view that man may be brought morally into relation to Him. The point is to see it in Christ, not in Scripture. We are too doctrinal and we want to see it in Christ. The wonderful thing has come to pass that Christ is the revelation of God's righteousness and He is also our righteousness. God has made Him unto us righteousness. What is wanted is for people to apprehend things morally, that is, as they must be. The great point on the part of God was to declare His rights. Sin having come in, it became necessary for God to declare His rights and He has declared them in the righteous One. Romans 3 is the doctrine of it, but the reality of it is in Christ. God Himself took up man's liabilities and met them in the righteous One. That was His grace in order to enforce His righteousness and His righteousness is His rights. To assert and declare the righteousness of God and His rights are to govern the affections of His creatures. Until a man bows to the grace of God he will never own the rights of God. The third chapter of Romans is more moral than judicial. God begins entirely de novo in Christ. The great point is that man should submit to the righteousness of God. If God had not approached man in grace, man would have had to come under judgment God acts for man and yet independent of man. It is the declaration of God's rights -- it is
apart from law. The righteousness of God was there before sin came in and will exist after sin has been finally judged. Until sin came in the rights of God had their place -- God now wants to bring man back to that. Judgment rested on man and God took it up in Christ to bring man back to His righteousness.
God's rights have their foundation in His nature, which is love, and love is of God, and He claims the love of man. Grace brings man to the righteous requirements of the law. Everything is centred now in Christ. In the new heavens and the new earth no sin exists, so that righteousness and sin could not be correlative there. In the very fact of God being the Creator He has a right to the affections of every intelligent creature.
The great principle with God is recovery and in order to do that God has taken up man's liabilities. Noah regained, typically, what Adam had lost. Judgment is God's strange work. In Isaiah 1, for instance, there is no judgment; salvation runs parallel to righteousness. His righteousness is towards all and His love is the spring of it. It gives you a wonderful thought of God. Man is brought to righteousness by being brought to God in his affections. Man gives up seeking to establish his own righteousness and submits to the righteousness of God and now the righteous One conducts him to the paths of righteousness. We see it in Proverbs 8:20 - 21. You are righteous as He is righteous -- you apprehend that Christ is your righteousness -- but He has, in that, terminated you. He could not be holden of death. He terminated us that we may live in Him. Our liability was death and if He takes up our liability He terminates us -- so that if you believe in Christ the next thing is you are baptised. You are terminated as in Adam, but you count yourself as alive unto God in Christ. Propitiation is the termination of all, so that you can be in Christ. It is all moral. The gospel and what is connected with it is all moral. Righteousness is a moral thought, not judicial. It is the
rule of the moral universe. The rule of the physical universe is attraction. There are certain laws by which all is governed -- there is no lawlessness. A meteor may be described as 'lawless'. But the rule of the moral universe is righteousness and when a man becomes lawless he gets out of his orbit into space like a meteor. You really can read the gospel behind the law -- behind it all was the great truth that God is love. The devil could not command love -- only a Being who is love could command love.
The great moral principles of the law are, "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God", etc. The declaration of God's righteousness in Christ explains everything. It is in His death that Christ is the declaration of God's righteousness. The great point is to see the purpose of the gospel and that is to bring man back to God. In the moral universe you must have righteousness. We are attracted to the righteous One by the very fact that He took our liabilities and now He leads in the way of righteousness.
Christianity is a living system and all is centred in Christ. It has all been set forth in Christ. The two great principles of the will of God down here are that there is no lack and that we overcome evil with good. As we live in Him, He lives in us. Man knows nothing of the love of God till he believes in Christ. People often confound relation to God morally with practical righteousness. The love of God brings you to holiness; grace brings you to righteousness. Practical righteousness is that you are here for the will of God. Everything is out of course down here, and the great point is that the will of God should be proved in us "that we may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God" as it marked the pathway of Christ here. There is abundance for every need.
Righteousness is the first principle in the moral universe. The love of God is the source of it. No one will be right until he apprehends it. It is divine love --
not our love. Salvation runs parallel to this and you are free from the power of the enemy -- you are not afraid of man or devil. It is only in darkness that evil can work. The moment you come into the light the power of evil is broken -- the enemy is dead on the seashore. The will of God has been perfectly set forth in the world in Christ, and He always overcame evil with good. His appointment is eternal life (John 12:50 and Psalm 133:3). There is no lack there! In the body of Christ there can be no lack; it comes down even to 'mercy'! Grace is enjoyed but righteousness is a moral necessity. Apart from righteousness all the world would go into perdition. The effect of grace reigning is to subdue people and bring them to God. It is like the influence of the sun upon every planet -- so the righteousness of God is upon all that believe. It is God's estimate of the man. The last verse of 2 Corinthians 5 is the expression of divine righteousness, everything in perfect gear with God. In the heavenly city there is also unity and perfection, it completely meets the glory of God. His glory abides in it. By means of the heavenly city God puts Himself in relation to the whole universe.
Hebrews 3:1 - 6
Israel was God's house but they did not enter into God's rest. The thought of God's house carried the thought of God's rest. Israel was God's house because He dwelt amongst them. Moses was faithful in Israel. The real builder of God's house was Christ. The great idea of 'house' is God's dwelling. The tabernacle of God is with men and in that sense the universe becomes the house of God. The tabernacle and all the material for building it were taken from Israel -- they became His household (Exodus 25:8). The tabernacle was identified with the people and they with the tabernacle. Israel always fell short of their privileges. Things would have been very different if Israel had come up to their privileges. It is all moral rather than material. There must be a certain means by which God could dwell among men and that was set forth in the detail of the tabernacle. When the people were out of gear with the temple, the Lord said "But the Most High dwells not in places made with hands", Acts 7:48. Christendom has departed very far from the true idea when they think God can be worshipped in temples made with hands. God's great idea was that He should dwell among His people. "Whose house are we" is moral and conditional. Profession and possession ought to go together. The divine thought in the house is that God is close to us, dwelling among us that He may be known. No one can know God at a distance. If a soul enters into the knowledge of God he enters into the rest of God. You reach the knowledge of God in the house of God. You are the house. Believers compose the house. The house was formed by the descent of the Holy Spirit. The material was
there and the stones were there and the Holy Spirit came to form it.
You get the idea of the house in the day of Pentecost at the descent of the Holy Spirit. Christ is Son over the house and that gives character to the house of God. Water baptism brings you into christian profession -- professedly into identity with the church. The apostle pressed on the Jews to save themselves from this untoward generation, and they were baptised in order to do this. There is privilege connected with it. The families of believers in the early days of Christianity were brought up in the light of that instead of in the darkness of heathenism. The children of saints have thus a great deal of advantage. They have a recognised place in the epistles. They come under the Lord, they are in the kingdom -- "for the kingdom of the heavens is of such", Matthew 19:14. But all that is not the idea of the house, it is more in connection with the kingdom. The similitudes of the kingdom shew that both good and bad are in it. The house may be where the kingdom is not. If judgment first begin at us, the 'us' is the house of God. That scripture in Peter is very conclusive as to what the house of God is -- for if God is so particular about His own -- what will become of the sinner?
Believers have to be led on. We do not come to the good of it (the Living Stone) and realisation of it all at once. The house of God and the holy priesthood are in God's mind for people -- but when people connect Christ with the world it is very certain they have not come to Christ as the "living stone", disallowed of men. People may be sanctified in an outward way and yet become apostates. The Spirit of God addresses people on the ground which they assume. They take that ground and God takes them up on that ground. This refers to Hebrews 10:29. The man here esteemed the blood of the covenant, whereby he has been sanctified, common ... -- he was only a professor. We must have
God near to us to know Him. He has come near to us that we may know Him and know how He orders His house. The conduct that suits His house is lowliness, meekness and forbearance. You become companions of Christ in God's house. He is over God's house. God is learnt in His house close at hand in a wonderful way in connection with His ways, and His people in discipline and care.
Any man in his own house orders things for himself; and in God's house He orders things for Himself; and thus He orders things for the blessing of His people. If God's house is here and God has a supper He has something to put before them. There is the fatness of His house. "I will abundantly bless her provision; I will satisfy her needy ones with bread", Psalm 132:15. People are compelled to come into God's house to God's supper now. You get the mind of God through being brought into God's house. We do not get any light as to God's things until we recognise the presence of God by the Spirit. "I will satisfy her needy ones with bread" is what we get in God's house.
The divine idea of God's house is that He would lead us into His rest. It is His thought in regard to us. The marriage supper in Matthew 22 is a similitude of the kingdom, but Luke 14 goes much further. The thought of the rest is very important. The point is, are you complacent in yourself or have you reached God's point of complacency which is His rest. We are the house, Christ prepares the material but we cannot be said to be of the house until we have received the Spirit. We must get hold of things morally if we want to see the kingdom. It has a great moral effect on us if we see God's complacency; it takes the self-complacency out of us (see chapter 4: 12). You fall into self-complacency.
On the other hand, if you are labouring to enter into the rest of God, it is a continual exercise -- the word of God is continually probing you. It is labour to enter into that rest and for the reason that the word of God is
"living and operative", etc. and dissects everything. God will not allow us to be self-complacent because we are then in danger of falling. The word of God here is the testimony. You are continually coming to Scripture and you find you never come up to the standard. Things are laid down there which are according to the mind of God and we find we are very far below it. It detects us. The thing is, are we going to enter into God's complacency and if we do we enter into the rest of God but if we become self-complacent we are in danger of falling.
We are put in touch here with the great High Priest -- Jesus the Son of God -- who is touched with a feeling of our infirmities. The word of God is that in which God is expressed. Here it is the moral idea in contrast to the letter. Any book composed of letters would be a very poor expression of God. The word of God brings us into the presence of God Himself. God has seen fit to express Himself and when you come into the presence of that expression you find yourself judged. You are continually brought to the Scriptures. The rest of God now involves a place where God can be complacent and that is found in the ark of the covenant. God set aside all the first order -- the order connected with responsibility.
The place of God's choice was mount Zion. There are thousands of people in the present day who are zealous for the letter of Scripture and yet they ignore the Spirit of truth. The letter kills. The great purpose of God is to bring us to Himself. The reason why all is not plain to us in Scripture is that we are not up to it. There may be a place where we can enter into the rest of God now. It must be through a good deal of exercise -- you have to labour to enter into it.
The holiest is the place where all is according to God's glory and there is no flesh -- this is the point to be reached. The hope is along the way -- the rest is at the end, though we reach it morally now. The idea of the
holiest is that flesh is excluded and there is nothing but what is according to God's glory. God rests there in Christ -- there is no conflict there. We are according to His glory by the work of God. Reconciliation is known and God is complacent. God cannot be complacent where all is not according to His glory. When we enter into this we shall understand Hebrews 4. People get into a self-satisfied, self-complacent state and that is their rest, but God wants to bring you into His rest, and that is only reached through labour and exercise. In regard to the rest of God we must reach Christ; He is God's rest.
Chapter 4: 1 - 2 is connected with what comes before it. You will not enter into rest without faith. Everything culminates at the end of the third chapter in unbelief! and then God swore that they should not enter into His rest. Neglecting the great salvation proves the absence of faith. Rest now is all a point of reaching Christ where Christ is. There is nothing but labour in our life of responsibility all along the line and all the time of our sojourn here.
Ephesians 3:14 - 21
F.E.R. Do you not think it is a general principle in the ways of God before He displays anything in result in glory, He gives the witness of it beforehand?
F.E.R. Nothing comes out in display till God gives His witness in the first instance.
A.M. Would you give an example or two of it?
F.E.R. You do not want an example of every principle. A principle speaks for itself. The kingdom is our example. Eternal life is not set forth in display till there has been the witness of it.
J.B. There has been a display of nothing yet.
F.E.R. But there has been witness of many things.
F.W.J. Is not that principle true of the Lord Jesus Christ Himself?
F.E.R. Yes. He came as a witness before He comes in glory.
F.W.J. The witness of the church is especially connected with the absence of Christ?
F.E.R. Yes, I think so. Christ is absent and hid. The Holy Spirit is the witness. Christ speaks of Himself in Revelation 3:14 as the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God.
F.W.J. Is the church the continuation of the witness following on the Lord Jesus Christ Himself?
F.E.R. Yes, the church is the witness of Christ. That is what this prayer is. There is witness of Christ here in the church.
F.W.J. And that especially to His exaltation?
F.E.R. It is more moral. Christ dwelling in the heart by faith.... "that ye may be filled even to all the fulness of God" (verse 19). The point of it all is that there might be sufficient witness for God here
before He comes out in display.
R.E. Why is it that there should be divine testimony first?
F.E.R. It is difficult to say. There is divine wisdom in it. God is to work out His purposes in a world of evil. It could not be otherwise. I do not see how the purposes of God could be worked out down here in any other way.
T.H.R. It forms us according to it.
F.W.J. Is the witness a kind of education that we may be formed by it?
F.E.R. Yes, I think so; we are formed by it.
Ques. That we might have it in faith before we have the display?
F.E.R. We are fitted to have part in the display.
J.B. Otherwise God would be left without a witness.
F.E.R. If God left Himself without a witness it would mean the world was given over.
Ques. Is there any display now?
F.E.R. No. It is a time of witness now, while Christ is hid within the veil it is not a time of display.
Ques. I was wondering if the three kinds of power in the end of the epistle meant display.
F.E.R. That power is not power of display but moral power. It is that we can stand here morally against the evil. Probably you might have to be a martyr. "Unto all endurance" (Colossians 1:11). That is where the power comes out.
St.C. What you spoke of is entirely connected with the Holy Spirit -- entirely dependent on the Spirit.
F.E.R. Yes. That we might be strengthened with might by His Spirit in the inner man. You get the idea of witness running through all time. I suppose there was never a moment when there was no witness. Scripture is not the witness but records what the witness is.
Ques. The whole of Hebrews 11 were the "great cloud of witnesses"?
A.S.L. The witnesses were persons then?
F.E.R. Yes. Enoch or Noah, then the patriarchs, then Israel. That is the burden of the latter part of Isaiah. Then Christ came and now the church is the witness.
A.S.L. So that there was a witness for God before the record of Scripture was written down?
T.H.R. God must close up things if there were not a witness.
F.E.R. When the witness of God ceases to command respect there is nothing left but for God to come in in judgment.
Ques. Does Laodicea give us an instance of that?
F.E.R. When men set up to have need of nothing, that is, express entire competency -- witness is no longer possible. That is the state of things pretty much as we have got them now. The witness of God is subject to criticism. The testimony does not command respect.
A.S.L. Then testimony and witness are the same thing. What would you say then is the witness?
F.E.R. The Holy Spirit. His presence is the witness, but the Holy Spirit is not the witness apart from the vessel.
J.B. How is the Holy Spirit the witness?
F.E.R. The witness of the Holy Spirit is that there is a Man in heaven who stands as Head to every man on earth.
A.S.L. "That the Christ may dwell, through faith, in your hearts" -- that is collectively, not that He dwells individually?
F.E.R. I think it is "the Christ may dwell", etc.
T.H.R. It is "the Christ". Christ is Head of everything.
A.S.L. Not the idea of Christ personally?
F.E.R. "Apprehend with all the saints".
F.W.J. I do not think everybody understood your remarks, Mr. Reynolds.
T.H.R. Everything God manifests in Himself comes
out in Christ. Set forth in Him -- in Christ now exalted.
F.E.R. We get in Christ the full and perfect expression of the mind of God in regard to man expressed in Christ personally.
A.S.L. That Christ is the Head of every man. Then the Spirit is here to bear witness of another Man?
F.E.R. Yes. In relation to every man on earth. The witness is contained in the assembly, but the assembly is the worshipping company.
A.S.L. And the assembly is a witness?
F.E.R. Yes, but that brings in the idea of the worshipping company. The church may serve two ends. God can have His part and it may be the witness.
J.B. "... Filled even to all the fulness of God" -- is that the witness?
F.E.R. I think the vessel suited for the full setting forth of God's mind constituted it.
J.B. What is the difference between Ephesians and the epistle of John -- ... "God abides in you", 1 John 2:14?
F.E.R. That is moral. His love perfected in us. This is more the setting forth of His mind -- what He is to be.
J.B. Man-ward? What does length, breadth, depth and height mean?
F.E.R. It shows you the whole expanse of the 'country' and what is going to fill it. The love of Christ will fill it.
F.W.J. Do you think the church ever rose to that?
F.E.R. I do not know enough of church history to answer that. I think not.
F.W.J. I was wondering if it did at Pentecost?
A.M. What do you mean by the 'country'?
F.E.R. The whole expanse in which God will be displayed in the universe of bliss.
T.H.R. The whole of the universe of bliss will be
characterised by "the Christ".
F.E.R. He will fill all things.
A.S.L. "That the Christ may dwell, through faith, in your hearts" -- not the Spirit?
F.E.R. It indicates it is God's pleasure. It is God's pleasure that Christ should dwell in our hearts by faith. The way of it is -- strengthened with might by the Spirit in the inner man, resulting in Christ dwelling in the heart by faith.
E.B.G. Faith is before the time of display?
R.E. The Spirit's work here is not apart from faith?
F.E.R. Nothing is in actuality in the present. It is all moral and must be to faith. The Spirit could not be apart from faith. We must get the light of things first and then the Spirit works on that. The first thing is that God enlightens a man and the Spirit works through the light.
J.B. Could Christ dwell in the heart in any other way?
T.H.R. It is not Christ as we get Him in Colossians.
T.H.R. Ephesians brings in God's counsels in Christ. Christ the centre of God's counsels dwelling in the hearts by faith. It is not the testimony in a golden box but in our hearts by faith.
Ques. Does it not give character?
F.E.R. I think it gives intelligence, not character. It must be looked at in the abstract.
A.S.L. Then the next step is "rooted and founded in love" -- capacity.
F.E.R. You do not get intelligence in divine things except by love. It is one of the most important points that could be imagined. The great thing that expands man is love. With God intelligence is absolute, love is infinite. Just as a man enters into divine nature and answers to it, that man gets expanded. I do not think a man will get expanded by the study of Scripture but if he gets acquaintance with God he gets expanded.
T.H.R. Mere study would make a man cramped.
A.M. Is the idea of expansion "filled even to all the fulness of God"?
F.E.R. Yes, that gives the idea.
A.B. Is it not that everything must be cleared out to make room for it?
F.E.R. Affection is very expanding.
T.H.R. We must take in all saints.
A.B. What do you mean by taking in all saints?
T.H.R. All the glory of God in the church comes out in all the saints. You must at once take in your mind all the saints. It is the riches of God's glory, but all that comes out in the church. Abraham saw the wealth of glory in the sky. The church is the vessel in which everything of Christ is to beset forth.
F.E.R. I have come across men of very great natural intelligence but if you get a christian who is formed in the divine nature he can enter into things a great deal better than such men.
A.S.L. There might be the capacity to take in but not to give out.
F.E.R. A man ought to take in more than he can express. He cannot express up to what he has taken in. Just as in common things a man's intelligence must go with his growth.
Ques. In the thought of witness do we take it that at the present time the church is an adequate witness?
F.E.R. There is no other witness. Everything is in the church which is necessary for witness.
J.B. It depends on the present state of the saints I suppose?
F.E.R. I think the witness is greatly obscured. Everything lies in the Holy Spirit who is still here. The house of God is still here in its greatness and completion but greatly obscured.
R.E. The apostle preached the "unsearchable riches of Christ" -- is that the witness?
F.E.R. The preaching of it produced the witness.
We are apt to get the idea that everything is gone and we must do the best we can.
T.H.R. Everything cannot be gone while Christ is at the right hand of God and the Holy Spirit is here.
A.M. Does it not tend to weaken us to say that everything has gone?
A.S.L. Mr. Stoney once said to a man, who said everything had gone, that nothing was gone but he (the man). The 'man' is gone.
Rem. There is not the power of the Spirit now as there was.
F.E.R. There is no decline in the Spirit -- only the witness has become obscured.
A.S.L. Would you say what the individual exercise and responsibility is in regard to the witness?
F.E.R. The first thing is to get clear of everything that is not of the Spirit. Break away from everything you are bound by. Human organisation and order is not of the Spirit of God.
A.S.L. And you become in a way a witness in yourself?
T.H.R. There is the need to see the meek character of the church.
Ques. Then we have to break away from everything?
F.E.R. That is what the Spirit has been leading to. You want a sense that Christ is enough for you. You want to have a sense that even if you have to stand alone Christ is enough for you.
A.S.L. Then you would seek the company.
F.E.R. You will find yourself there.
Ques. Did not the apostle stand alone?
F.E.R. Yes, but the Lord stood by him.
A.M. It practically comes to the individual in these days.
F.E.R. People come into the order of fellowship
really without individual exercise and faith and if the form were to break down they would all be adrift.
Ques. Do you not think there is a great lack of men in this day?
F.E.R. Yes. How far we are really men?
Ques. If we are not men we might wish to be.
F.E.R. We are more like children -- carried about by every wind -- not much stability. We listen to this person and that -- there is very little of 'men' about us. It is trouble that really tests people -- how much stability they have.
F.K. What is the witness of God on high?
F.E.R. God has given to us eternal life and that life is in His Son.
F.K. The Spirit bears witness to that in the church.
F.E.R. It is a tremendous thing to say we have "the Son". The saints at the beginning could say so and if they were asked to prove it they could say 'The Son comes out in us'. The witness down here was really the life of God. "He that has the Son has life", 1 John 5:12.
F.E.R. "By this shall all know that ye are disciples of mine, if ye have love amongst yourselves", John 13:35.
F.K. It says that there are three that bear witness -- the Spirit, the water and the blood. What about the two latter?
F.E.R. They bear witness that we are apart from the world; apart from all that is contrary to God in the world. Your conscience is perfected. The Spirit brings in all that is positive. The Spirit is the Spirit of the glorified Man -- the Spirit of God's Son.
F.K. The water and the blood then clear us from all that we were.
F.E.R. Christ came in through water and blood and the Spirit is the witness of the heavenly Man.
Ques. Then you would say that the Spirit is the
witness to the church and the church is the witness to the world?
F.E.R. Yes. The saints are the vessels of witness to the world. You get the thought in John 17 "that they also may be one in us, that the world may believe that thou hast sent me" (verse 21).
J.B. "He that believes on the Son of God has the witness in himself", 1 John 5:10.
F.E.R. That is more -- it is the Spirit.
A.S.L. There is a difference between believing and having, is there not?
F.E.R. 'Having' the Son is a most wonderful thing. I should hesitate to say I have the Son. It goes beyond believing in Him.
R.E. Is the truth of christianity set forth in the Son? What is eternal life?
F.E.R. It is the enjoyment of life in the Son which holds in abeyance and renders powerless the power of death and evil. You come into the influence of life. They saw it in the presence of Christ. In the energy of life the power of evil is impotent. He has "the keys of death and of hades", Revelation 1:18. The powers of evil will be held impotent in the power of His life. He is not simply a man.
T.H.R. That means that He might be the source of life to us.
F.E.R. You will have to be in accord with this mighty energy in Christ.
Ques. Is that implied in the expression "Son of the living God"?
F.E.R. Yes. "On this rock I will build my assembly", Matthew 16:18. He says "I became dead, and behold I am living to the ages of ages, and have the keys of death and of hades", Revelation 1:18.
T.H.R. It is a wonderful thing if we see that the church is not of the course of things here, but it will take its place in it -- come down out of heaven. Morally it has come down from God out of heaven now. He has
created for Himself one new man.
Ques. Is not the church here as much as ever it was?
F.E.R. The real point is that the Spirit is here and in the vessel. The vessel may be hid but it is here.
T.H.R. The church has descended to be the chaplain of the world -- like Micah who had a levite to be his priest in his house of gods. The world has a house of gods and wants the church to be its chaplain.
A.S.L. Is the Spirit in the vessel in virtue of being in the individuals who form the vessel?
F.E.R. Every believer has part in the Spirit but if you take the Spirit in the sense of dwelling, He dwells in the whole church.
A.S.L. Then there are two ideas?
F.E.R. There are two reasons. The Spirit dwells in the house. He dwells in every one that composes the house and He is said to dwell in the house that Christ builds. What Christ was occupied with while down here was building the house of God. The foundations were laid in redemption and the Holy Spirit came to dwell in it. No one but Christ ever had a hand in building the house of God. Moses was in a way the type but Christ was the real Builder, Christ the true Son of David. The Holy Spirit came down to dwell in the house that Christ built.
A.S.L. Then you put it rather the other way to what I did?
F.E.R. The Holy Spirit dwells in the church but it has been greatly obscured by the professing system.
Ques. Are we fellow-citizens of the household of God?
F.E.R. We come into the goodness of the house. Psalm 132, all the concern is the 'building of the house'.
A.S.L. Then you say the house was prepared for the Spirit?
F.E.R. The house was ready before the Spirit dwelt in it.
T.H.R. In resurrection life He breathes life.
A.S.L. I only thought He must be in glory before He built?
F.E.R. All the time He was here He was attaching people to Himself. He gathers them and when He goes up on high He sends the Holy Spirit to dwell in the house. In John 20 all the material was there. The point in the house is that there is a witness here on earth to a Man in heaven.
A.S.L. What about 1 Corinthians 3?
F.E.R. There is no question of the house there. It is man's building affecting people but that is never spoken of as God's house. Keep to the idea that is carried through Scripture. God would have a house, but would not allow David to build it -- it was to be his Son -- Solomon built it and God repudiated it. Then the true Son of David built the house and God came to dwell in it.
R.B. What is the idea of judgment beginning at the house of God?
F.E.R. Discipline has to begin.
J.B. Was it not necessary from the beginning?
F.E.R. Not in the first energy.
Ques. Did it not begin with Ananias and Sapphira?
F.E.R. It is difficult to say anything about them or when it began. The house may be enlarged but the house is there. My house was there when I had, say, three children but it may be enlarged to ten children.
Ques. The house was there when you dwelt in it?
F.E.R. I do not think it was a house till I had children. Perhaps I ought to explain myself. We must get out of the material idea. What do any bricks and mortar care for me! That is not my house. My house is composed of those who have affection for me.
F.W.J. 'House' gives the idea of 'household'?
F.E.R. Yes, where the sufficiency and goodness of a
man are known. The house of God is where the sufficiency and goodness of God become known.
Ques. I was going to ask a question about Psalm 132:16 "and her saints shall shout aloud for joy".
F.E.R. They do not shout aloud much today. It is an immense thing when you get the divine thought made known.
A.M. It says in 1 Corinthians 3:9 "Ye are ... God's building".
F.E.R. You must allow in the mind of the apostle he was writing to real christians -- "Ye have been washed" (1 Corinthians 6:11) he says. He takes them up as real genuine christians.
A.M. But had he not suspicion of them?
F.E.R. They were "called saints" (1 Corinthians 1:2) and he does add "with all that in every place call ..". but he has before his mind real genuine christians. He takes them up on the ground of the one body.
A.M. But does he not appeal to them to "come out from the midst of them ..".? 2 Corinthians 6:17.
F.E.R. That was an appeal to come out from idolatrous associations. He takes them up on the ground that they were really christians. He wants to bring them out in manifestation. If you take the general purpose of the epistles he has before him genuine christians -- those who were the subjects of the work of the Holy Spirit.
R.E. Does the thought of failure come in in connection with the house?
R.E. I was thinking of Luke 12; the ruler of the household who failed.
F.E.R. That was failure on the part of the steward. The servant may go wrong but the household is there and has to be regarded.
A.S.L. What was the Lord's thought in introducing baptism?
F.E.R. It was to mark definitely and distinctly the association of those who were baptised from the old, taking new ground.
T.H.R. Then the epistles are not written exactly to those in the house?
J.B. Then the epistles are written to the profession?
F.E.R. He takes people on their profession. Only two or three epistles take up the house of God. We have no allusion to it except in 1 Timothy, Hebrews and Peter. The epistles are written to the external body in any place known as christians.
A.S.L. "Whose house are we, if indeed we hold fast .."., Hebrews 3:6. The proof would be in the continuing.
F.E.R. That is in a catholic epistle. I think we need not contend as to trifles. There is the thing spoken of as the household of God -- the builder, the Son of David. The idea prevails in the Old Testament; He shall build Me a house and He shall establish the kingdom.
Ques. Will you make it plain the difference between the house and household of God?
F.E.R. I cannot. There is no difference. Our being God's household constitutes us God's house. We form part of it. "Ye are a spiritual house". We are brought into the house that we may know God's goodness. You come under discipline and training. You come under the influence of all that God is. You learn all the goodness of God -- no dearth -- Psalm 132. There is no tone about you if you have not come under the discipline. You are pitched up and down and knocked about.
R.B. "For this cause", etc. What is the "cause" on which he bases the prayer?
F.E.R. The cause is the special place given to him that he should preach the unsearchable riches of Christ and enlighten. The prayer is regarding saints universally.
A.M. What had the Lord made the foundation of?
F.E.R. Nothing but the foundation that is laid. In ordinary building the architect has the whole superstructure before him when the building is commenced.
A.S.L. The idea is that of an architect.
A.M. He said they were God's building.
F.E.R. That point was to press upon them that the work was really God's. He was really in the hand of God, that he could say "ye are God's husbandry". The house was formed before that in knowledge and purpose. Paul laid a good foundation in Corinth.
J.B. It has been said it was the foundation of the house.
T.H.R. The Corinthians were looking at the apostles as men. He throws them back on God and God's work.
Ques. Then the house was built?
F.E.R. Yes, it was built and it is enlarged, but not outside the pale of true believers. At the same time I do not ignore the system man has set up.
A.M. There could be no privilege connected with that?
F.E.R. I do not know that. They have the light of God. The house of God is the source of light and the system comes into the range and benefit of the light. The very philanthropy that exists in the world is owing to christianity.
A.M. But if all the system is outside, God is not the author?
Ques. Inside all the profession there is the real thing.
F.E.R. The world has adopted christianity and has the benefit and responsibility. I ask people to take the testimony of Scripture. It speaks of it as a spiritual house, "pillar and base of the truth" (1 Timothy 3:15). "Whose house are we, if indeed we hold fast ... firm to the end", Hebrews 3:6. It is surrounded by christendom like the court of the temple -- given up to the
gentiles -- though close to the real thing.
Ques. Profession would not hinder the house of God?
F.K. How could a man be a partaker of the Holy Spirit?
F.E.R. He has come under the influence of the Holy Spirit. The builder of God's house is Christ -- the Son of David. The Father gathers to the Son. The Son builds the house -- and then the Holy Spirit comes to dwell in the house.
Hebrews 8:8 - 13
A.S.L. You made a remark this morning, Mr. R. that there was something in Ephesians 3 about the worshipping company.
F.E.R. I forget exactly what was the connection -- it was a passing remark in connection with the 'body' I think.
T.H.R. You get the worshipping company in Ephesians 2:18 -- "For through him we have both access by one Spirit to the Father".
E.B.G. I think it was said that 'God might have His part'.
A.S.L. The sanctuary must be the place of worship?
F.E.R. It is inseparable from the house of God. If God is known and men are taught of God, the effect must necessarily be that they approach God. The sanctuary is consequent on the house. The two hang together.
A.S.L. The sanctuary is no more material than the house. It might be said that the saints are the house but not the sanctuary.
F.E.R. The sanctuary presents the conditions of worship. You must find the sanctuary in the house and it is in the house that you do find the sanctuary.
T.H.R. The sanctuary is really the presence of God -- the sense of His presence.
A.S.L. The 'holiest' is the same thought as the sanctuary?
F.E.R. The sanctuary is taken up from the idea of the holiest. The holiest is the sanctuary to us.
F.W.J. Is Christ the Minister of the sanctuary as the Head of the body?
F.E.R. I think the two thoughts are very nearly akin.
He is the Head of the body -- the firstborn among many brethren. In that light He is the Minister of the sanctuary. Aaron set forth what is now fulfilled in Christ. The general ordering of the sanctuary attaches to Christ as Minister of the sanctuary.
A.S.L. As Son over God's house?
F.E.R. Yes. I think Aaron had all the responsibility of all connected with the worship of God. In all that was connected with the sanctuary and priesthood, his sons were associated with him. They were to share in the responsibility of the sanctuary.
A.S.L. Then the thought of the sanctuary for us is in association with the Son?
F.E.R. I would not quite say that. Aaron and his sons set forth association with the Son, but the sanctuary, as Mr. R. said, is the presence of God.
A.S.L. How do we find ourselves in the sanctuary?
F.E.R. I think people find the sanctuary as they are prepared for it. As you are prepared for it you find it.
A.M. In what way are we prepared for it?
F.E.R. You are brought into the house and taught by the Spirit -- instructed in the knowledge of God. You then begin to apprehend the sanctuary -- that is the light in which God can be approached.
A.S.L. I suppose there is no possibility of saints being in the sanctuary without Christ?
F.E.R. No. If He is the true Aaron He is the Minister of the sanctuary.
A.S.L. If saints find themselves in it, in what relation to Christ are they looked at?
F.E.R. "Firstborn among many brethren". Christ is apprehended as the true Aaron.
Ques. In what way is He Minister of the sanctuary?
F.E.R. He is divinely charged with the care of the sanctuary -- with approach to God.
A.S.L. The French translation gives it as 'official administration'.
F.E.R. The minister of the holy places.
Ques. Is that the thought in Exodus 29 -- "minister unto me". It is God-ward?
F.E.R. Priestly service is God-ward. The levitical service was different -- bearing the tabernacle.
Ques. Is He the conductor into the sanctuary as the great High Priest?
F.E.R. I do not think 'High Priest' is used in that connection. High Priest is in regard of the service of Christ to His people down here. That title comes in the earlier part of the epistle.
Ques. Can you tell us the difference between ministry God-ward and ministry man-ward?
F.E.R. Ministry man-ward may be any kind of service to the saints or even to those who are not saints. Ministry God-ward is service to God -- waiting on God.
F.K. Is not the word 'serve' in Hebrews used in a peculiar sense -- serve in a religious way -- to worship?
F.E.R. Exactly. There was divine service in connection with the tabernacle.
A.M. Would "serve the living God" in Hebrews 9:14 be worship to God?
F.E.R. Yes. It is in contrast to the priests going into the first tabernacle to serve the living God.
F.K. In the New Testament 'worship' is translated as 'service'.
F.E.R. Yes. Service in the sense of worship.
Ques. Is He the great priest in the sanctuary?
F.E.R. More as the Son. What is an interesting point in the Old Testament, in this connection, is that the true principle of priesthood is seen after the gain-saying of Korah -- that is Aaron's rod that budded. In the apprehension of things that is a point of very great importance in their application to us.
T.H.R. You must bring in life out of death to apprehend worship. One has to go to God's side of things. "Thou shalt bring them in, and plant them in the mountain of thine inheritance" (Exodus 15:17). One has to have a sense that one belongs to the things
of God. We have been brought into another system of things.
F.E.R. In the fellowship of His death. The gain-saying of Korah represents the apostasy of christianity. The professing system perished. Christendom never gets into the holiest. After that you get Aaron's rod that budded -- that is the true principle of priesthood.
F.W.J. Do you mean by that there is a peculiarity to priesthood now?
F.E.R. There always was -- in the thought of God. It comes out distinctly in Aaron's rod. It did not establish the priesthood but it brought out the true character of priesthood in Christ Himself. Christ is in life -- out of death. Priests in christendom do not take that ground at all because they say priesthood is consequent on levitical service and not life out of death.
J.B. Must one know something about new creation also?
F.E.R. I do not think you can have anything that is properly priestly unless you have the idea of new creation. You have to learn death.
J.B. Would you exclude one who did not know that from worship?
F.E.R. If they have affection for God they might join in the worship of God. Priesthood in Christ Himself can only be in life out of death. It is a question of association with Christ.
A.S.L. Christ was priest personally -- was He not?
F.E.R. Yes, but I do not think that He could take priesthood up on that ground. If He is to take up priesthood in relation to man it must be in life out of death, because man is in death. Aaron's rod literally was life out of death. You get the real character of the priesthood -- the setting aside of the system that made Aaron priest and in the next chapter Aaron dies.
A.M. Would the "corn of wheat" go in that line at all?
F.B. Then it was more than a confirmation of the priesthood?
F.E.R. It was an indication of what in God's mind is to be the real power of priesthood.
A.S.L. The power of an endless life?
F.E.R. Yes. Life out of death.
J.B. Is every person quickened who has received the Spirit of adoption whereby they cry "Abba, Father"?
F.E.R. A person might say "Abba, Father" in the power of the Spirit and not be quickened together with Christ. A person might have instinct and might in a sense be carried on by others.
Ques. But there would not be any exclusion of a 'babe' in Christ from the breaking of bread?
F.E.R. Not at all, but I was speaking of the question of the worship of God, and how He will be served. A young christian has everything in the Spirit but may be but little formed in it. Every man begins as a 'babe' and is formed in divine things. The father is nothing more than a babe, but the father is a father and the babe is a babe.
J.B. But is not every person quickened who loves God?
F.E.R. I admit that is a proof and evidence of the Spirit being there.
T.H.R. You must be brought on to the ground of resurrection in your soul.
F.E.R. You must be on a certain platform -- the platform on which God is. I think the first point to be ascertained is 'what platform is God on?' Then you must serve God on that platform.
T.H.R. I see the first intimation of worship in Abraham. God came in Genesis 15:1 and says "I am thy shield, thy exceeding great reward" -- that is the earthly side. But in Genesis 17:1, 2 God takes Abram to His side "walk before my face, and be perfect. And I will set my covenant between me and thee ..". etc. and Abram fell on his face. It was the first recorded
act of worship -- the bowing down of the soul in the presence of God. Abram was called to God's side of things.
A.M. You mean by that the way He has revealed Himself?
T.H.R. There is a great difference between God's coming to me and my going to Him on His ground.
A.M. Would you say that sonship was the great qualification for worship?
F.E.R. Yes. But we were talking about the sanctuary and worship. In what light is God going to be approached? He is going to be approached in the light of what He is. It is a great point. You can contemplate God and give Him thanks. You can worship God in the working out of the purpose and counsel of His own will. It is what He is that brings in the platform of resurrection. Resurrection is the real beginning for God. The church is on the principle of life out of death. The whole range of divine purpose is on the principle of life out of death. We have to apprehend that He is working out His own will. "Ye have been also raised with him through faith of the working of God who raised him from among the dead" (Colossians 2:12). That is the principle -- hence if it is a question of worshipping God, He must be apprehended in that light.
A.S.L. So that if our faith does not go as far as resurrection we do not get to worship?
F.E.R. I think there are many give thanks who do not come to worship. The fact is we have not quite got an idea of the sanctuary.
Ques. "Worship the Father in spirit and truth" (John 4:23) -- is that in connection?
Ques. You would make a difference between 'title to enter' and 'entering'?
F.E.R. Oh yes. Everything belongs to the christian. There is no gift beyond the Spirit, but we only
enter as the Spirit of God gives us power.
Ques. Is the sanctuary the apprehension in the soul?
F.E.R. It is the apprehension of God in the light of His counsels in Christ.
A.S.L. You made a remark at the beginning to the effect that we get into the sanctuary when we are ready for it. Will you say a little more as to that?
F.E.R. There is an important preceding point -- that is, acquaintance with Christ. Those that live have to live under the conditions that God imposes. You cannot take up things on the ground that there is no harm in them. God has laid down conditions and everything outside of these conditions is death. If you are content to live under the conditions God has imposed, you live in the good of the covenant. We have come into the good of the covenant and if you will live by the benefits, then you will get the knowledge of God. The new covenant expresses God's disposition to us.
T.H.R. The soul really finds the rest of God.
A.S.L. What are the conditions you refer to?
F.E.R. The love and mercy of God -- all outside of death -- and all that is spiritual.
Ques. "One thing have I asked of Jehovah, that will I seek after: that I may dwell ..". etc. Psalm 27:4. That was his desire?
T.H.R. Many do not understand that the thought is a place to 'dwell'. It is not a place to visit.
Ques. If we realise the presence of the Lord on Lord's day morning and walk disorderly during the week that does not mean that we should realise His presence the next time?
F.E.R. Everything depends on our condition at the moment.
A.S.L. With regard to the sanctuary; in thought you have not got the 'Lord' before you as in the Supper?
F.E.R. In the Supper it is not the 'Lord' before you. The title refers to us individually. He is the 'Head' to the assembly.
A.S.L. Is not the Supper the divinely appointed way by which the Lord introduces us to the assembly?
F.E.R. Yes. We recognise Him as Head. He is the Head of the priestly family. Mr. Darby always maintained that the title 'Lord' was introduced on account of their state. It is a title of reverence and respect.
F.W.J. Does not Paul change the title in 1 Corinthians 10? He speaks of the blood of "Christ" but when he is contrasting the cup with the cup of demons he speaks of the cup of the "Lord".
A.S.L. We are gathered together in the name of the Lord Jesus.
F.E.R. Sarah obeyed Abraham calling him "lord", but Abraham was not 'lord' to Sarah. It is a question of respect and reverence.
T.H.R. Sarah obeyed Abraham. He was her head though she called him lord. She was true to her head.
R.E. Is the sanctuary the sense of apprehension of a Man in resurrection -- the thought of rest?
F.E.R. It is the resting place of God. It is the Man in whom God is working out the counsels of His own will. In the question of approach to God the first question is the 'call of God'. What are we called to? Too many never think of what they are called to. What was Abraham called to? If people took this question into account it would generally affect them. 'What has He called me to?' Then you get grace for the call.
A.S.L. What would you say the call is?
F.E.R. Sonship, through Jesus Christ, to Himself Then He has given us grace suited to the call -- the power of access by Jesus to the Father. Then the condition of the call is life out of death, proved by the statement that you are risen with Christ.
Ques. Why do you put that at the end?
F.E.R. Because you get that in type in Korah. They disregarded the call of God. Clergymen have no call and are trying to carry out the call without the grace. If God has called us (and we take that ground) we have grace suited to the call. Then the condition of the call can be carried out.
J.B. When you say that the call is sonship, it is the purpose of God?
F.E.R. It is what God has called us to.
J.B. So we can enter into it now?
F.E.R. We are sons of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
R.E. Would you say that Israel apprehended the call in Exodus 15?
F.E.R. Yes. It is a curious thing that the first time sonship occurs in Scripture is in Exodus 4:22 -- "Israel is my son, my firstborn".
R.E. Then would you say that a soul must be in the good of Exodus 15 to enter the sanctuary?
F.E.R. Yes. We must apprehend the call. It is impossible for God to give us a call without first giving us grace to answer to it and the condition is life out of death. The principle of His operation was on the principle of life out of death. We have access by one Spirit to the Father. We have got the Spirit which cries "Abba, Father". We should be formed according to God's purpose. The renewing of the Holy Spirit can only come after the Holy Spirit is given.
Ques. Is the sanctuary the proper sphere for sonship?
Ques. Will you say a little as to Exodus 15, 16 and 17?
F.E.R. How exceedingly interesting that is. First you get redemption. God took up His right in regard to His people. Then there is the thought of the "abode of his holiness". Where is it? His love is the abode of His holiness. Then "thou shalt bring them in". They must be according to His holiness. He brings you
to the sanctuary. In Hebrews 12 He chastens us that we may share in His holiness. His holiness abides in His nature. The love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Spirit.
A.S.L. That brings us back to Ephesians 3.
F.E.R. The condition in which a christian is to live is in the love and mercy of God.
J.B. The love of God shed abroad in our hearts. Is that the abode of His holiness?
F.E.R. Yes. The love of God -- His nature -- is the abode of His holiness. You regard God in another light and the next thing is the sanctuary. You are prepared for it in nature. You are holy as God is holy. If we got into the sanctuary we should be consciously before the Father. We feel we are not fit for the sanctuary -- to enter into the nature of God.
J.B. To know the "length and breadth", etc.?
F.E.R. That is exactly it. The love of Christ takes in the whole range of divine counsel. He is the true land of promise. Christ has ascended far above all heavens that He might fill all things.
J.B. Well I suppose no one need be discouraged?
F.E.R. Oh no! We need not be discouraged. I am not, although I feel how small I am morally -- how small we all are. We were all young once.
J.B. Some of us would like to know what you mean by being 'small morally'?
F.E.R. We are so young in the things of God. It does take a time to lead us into these things. We have to accept that we are nothing. I delight in the last verse of Hymn 87 -- 'That we our nothingness may know'. The apostle had a sense of his nothingness.
A.S.L. What is the true tabernacle?
F.E.R. The whole moral system of things -- the moral universe of bliss.
A.S.L. He is the official administrator of that also?
F.E.R. Yes. He has ascended up that He might fill all things. Our moral proportions are according to our
knowledge of God, and I think our knowledge of God is extremely limited.
Ques. Is it only by the knowledge of God we grow?
Philippians 3:17 - 21; Luke 19:11 - 27
We find the Lord saying in Matthew 13 that "every scribe discipled to the kingdom of the heavens is like a man that is a householder who brings out of his treasure things new and old" (verse 52). It is the thought of what would mark the scribe discipled to the kingdom of the heavens to put together things new and old. You find that a very great many thoughts taken up in the New Testament are thoughts found from time to time in the Old. All these thoughts are taken up in the New Testament. One thing about these thoughts is certain. We find them all centred in a Person -- Christ -- in Him is the yea and the amen. Everything in the Old Testament gets its character from the One in whom the thoughts are taken up. We are acquainted with the thoughts I have in my mind to take up tonight in a natural way.
They are (1) Country; (2) City; (3) King. All understand them. We live in a country which has a city -- a metropolis -- ruled by a king or queen. I am going to take up the thoughts in the way they are presented in the New Testament. All these thoughts serve to test christians at the present time; to test the fidelity of christians. You find a great many thoughts in the Old Testament taken up in the New. In Abraham it is God blessing; in Israel, God dwelling and in David, God ruling. Three great thoughts came out in the Old Testament times. In Abraham, righteousness; in Israel, sonship, and in David, eternal life; all of which are part of God's purpose for man, and all set forth in Christ, and all of which came out in the course of God's ways. We get the character in the one in whom they are centred. I take up the three thoughts. In Abraham you get the idea of 'country';
in Israel the idea of 'city'; and in David the idea of 'king'. Moses was king because he was the meekest man on earth. That is the proper characteristic of a king according to God. My object tonight is to try and show what the divine idea is in connection with each; how they are taken up in the New Testament and their application to us and their effect on us at the present time. I do not think they are much to us if they do not tend to establish and instruct us in divine purpose. Each of these thoughts are peculiarly applicable to us at the present time and test each one.
God promised Abraham that in his seed all the nations of the earth should be blessed. He gave to Abraham an inheritance referring to a country. He was called out by God from his country, kindred, and father's house, to a land which he should afterwards receive for an inheritance. There it is you begin to get the idea of country. It presents the idea of expanse. It is not exactly like a city. A city cannot exist by itself. It would be nothing without a country in length and breadth. There is room in the country for men to contemplate the beneficence of God. It no doubt came out in a special way in the promised land. The eyes of God on it marked it. The expanse is a witness to the goodness and beneficence of God. There was room for it to be enjoyed. There is a great deal more but you can accept that much.
Now look at the 'city' for a moment. It is a place where religious and political elements combine. It is the seat of light and rule. The influence of London is felt all over England -- it must exercise immense influence. If everything is right in regard to the city the effect is felt throughout the country. Jerusalem became a city and had influence over the garden of God, which included all the surrounding nations. It was the city of light and rule. Light from God and rule had their influence in the city. Man has a city for his own glory and that city will most surely come under destruction. Babylon came under destruction never to be restored.
The Psalms are continually speaking of the beauty of the city. The heavenly city is the seat of light and rule from heaven. So that I have given you the idea of 'city'. I am not laying down the law but I give you ideas and thoughts. I have not gone beyond giving expressions Scripture would make on our minds.
Now as to 'king'. The king is the vessel of rule, not the seat of rule. The king is the representative of God for light and rule. When the kingdom was set up in the time of David, Nathan was prophet, Zadok was priest and David king. What God intended was set forth in three persons. They were not combined in one person, nor could they be. The prophet was a check on the king in order to bring the mind of God to bear on him. The king was always subject to the prophet. The king never takes priestly functions. The mind of God was expressed in the three persons. That is the Old Testament.
Now I want to come to the New Testament. But first as to Abraham -- he was not content with an earthly country; he sought a better, that is a heavenly country. He sought a city which had foundations whose builder and maker is God. Abraham was familiar with the cities but he did not find a city on earth that had moral foundations; he looked for one which had foundations; the thought and aspiration of Abraham really went beyond what was of earth. The answer to that was "wherefore God is not ashamed of them, to be called their God; for he has prepared for them a city", Hebrews 11:16. All that God spoke to Abraham about was earthly, yet his faith went out to the heavenly city.
Now I pass on to the New Testament. I want to show that all these thoughts come out in application to us. We have a country. The Jews have no country on earth. Then how can the gentiles claim a country and be patriotic? If what Peter said to the Jews in his first epistle is true they have no country, and surely that
might apply to the gentiles. They can only claim a country providentially. The world is a wilderness and there are four wild beasts, which are the four gentile powers or empires, the last of which is now going on. The gentiles cannot claim a country when the Jews have not got one. Peter calls them "pilgrims and strangers". People according to God -- entitled to a country! Everything is out of course. If you claim a country you put yourself in the way of covetousness, taking the place of the elder brother. He is our portion. He never intended to give the prodigal the portion of the elder brother and no people can claim a country while the Jew is dispersed. In Philippians 3:20, "our commonwealth has its existence in the heavens". That was the country Abraham sought. It is not a new country if Abraham sought it. I do not doubt that others sought it. Moses had to die without going into the land but I do not doubt but that he sought a better country. When he was prohibited from entering the land of promise the grace of God gave him to anticipate the heavenly country. We have a country -- Paul was caught up into it. The eyes of God are continually on it, and the goodness of God is in it. It is a large country, a vast expanse, and God's will is done in it.
The angels of little children behold the face of Christ's Father who is in heaven. It is a large expanse and our living links are there. The Father is there and the Son is there. The present is a most remarkable moment.
God, the Spirit, is on earth, and Man is in heaven. The Spirit is a witness to the fact that a Man is in heaven. It is a large and blessed country where God's will is done -- the scene where the goodness and beneficence of God is fully known. "Our commonwealth has its existence in the heavens, from which also we await the Lord Jesus Christ as Saviour", etc. Philippians 3:20. Again as to the city. We have a city. In Hebrews 12:22 mount Zion represents moral principles. Not the city of the great King but city of the living God.
The holy Jerusalem (Galatians 4:26). Those two expressions I just want to touch upon. We come to mount Zion, to the heavenly Jerusalem. The city of the great King -- Jerusalem -- on earth is desolate and a waste till the time of the gentiles is fulfilled. We have come to the city of the living God. When the kingdom comes to pass it is not simply the kingdom of the great king David, but the kingdom will be Jehovah's. The earthly Jerusalem is really not a great enough city for the living God. A city is required that is really morally greater than Jerusalem on earth. That can never be the city of God's glory. I really could not see that Jerusalem below could answer to the demands of the glory of God. It takes a long time for the city to form. He has been forming it for nearly two thousand years. He is forming a city which is according to His glory. You must get the heavenly Jerusalem, the city of the living God, because the earthly Jerusalem is not sufficient for the glory of God. You are part of that which answers every demand of the glory of God. We are to behold Him without a veil. I cannot imagine anything more wonderful than the city of the living God that comes down from heaven having the glory of God in its full blaze. It is the seat of light and of rule. Jerusalem is free (Galatians 4:26) -- what marks the heavenly city is perfect liberty. We take our character from Jerusalem above. People take their character from their city. Londoners, who are citizens, take their character from London. We take our character from Jerusalem above. If you get a saint who has no kind of idea about Jerusalem above, there is not much character about that saint. On the other hand, one who is in the light of that city is in the liberty wherewith Christ has made us free. What brings us into liberty is the consciousness that we are according to God. If anything is allowed that is not according to God it brings us into bondage. If nothing is allowed contrary to God we come into liberty. I bring you back to the thought
that it is a wonderful thing to form part of that city which will bear the full blaze of God's glory. It is His moral glory. We want even now to get hold of the moral thought of glory.
So much for the country and the city. They should have their effect on us as we have a great deal to do with them. Most men take their character from their mother. Most men who become great have mothers who have fine characters. Jerusalem above, which is our mother, is free. Jerusalem above is only seen now in Christ as Man, the only Man who is according to divine glory.
Now we have to do with the king, but the king is Lord to us. There is the blessed vessel of God's authority. Christ is not king to us exactly. The rights of Christ as king are in abeyance. He is the Son of God, the Son of David, and the Son of man. He is Prophet, Priest and King. We find in John they said "This is the prophet" and they would have made Him a king; then He went up into a mountain to be the Priest. It is a very interesting point to me that when the Lord was about to suffer He rode in as King -- meek and sitting on an ass. "Thy king cometh meek" not condescending. His right hand could teach Him terrible things. He could be a lion against the enemies of Judah but the lamb is His character. In Luke 19 we find that a certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and to return. He has received it. He has gone within the veil, He has received the kingdom but He has not yet returned. We ought to be loyal to our country, patriotic to our true country -- loyal to the One who is King according to God. At the same time our faithfulness and loyalty is really tested by our absent Lord. He committed goods to His servants and their loyalty was tested by the use they made of His goods in His absence. He has interests down here. All Christ's interests are on earth. All that the Father told Him, He has told us, that we may know what His interests are in
His people. He does not judge us in a hard measure, but He measures us according to the grace given us. The absence of Christ is the test of faithfulness and loyalty. What can I think of a king on earth when Christ the true king has gone to receive a true kingdom and to return. He will return and His enemies will be brought before Him, and every one of us must stand before the judgment seat of Christ, but we shall be in heaven. We shall come before the bar of Christ and we shall know what He thinks of the way in which we have used His goods. If you are a christian you are bound to be patriotic and loyal. "Be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might" and to take to us the whole armour of God and having done all -- to stand! (Ephesians 6). I claim all things down here for the Lord. I am not going to allow that all belongs to man or the devil. Christ is the Head of every man. We have to stand in the power of His might against all the power of evil. Christians form the heavenly city which is the seat of heavenly light and rule. We are undergoing great education in order to reign. No one can reign without education. The principles are fitting you to reign -- righteousness, faithfulness and power. A king shall rule in righteousness. You want to be faithful here in every obligation under which God has been pleased to place you. God is faithful and we learn faithfulness as we learn God. It is a great thing to be faithful. We want to be "strengthened with all power according to the might of his glory unto all endurance and longsuffering with joy" (Colossians 1:11). Power is expressed in patience. The patient man is a powerful man. A man might be able to knock an ox down and not be powerful, in my mind. Meekness comes in -- meekness -- lowliness -- and I think you want love. All these things -- power, meekness, love -- are education to prepare us to reign with Christ. Then there is suffering. The man who suffers is suitable to reign. It is a righteous thing for God to reward us according to our suffering for the kingdom. Now these
things are important practically. You want to come under the influence of the country, and the city, and under the administration and subduing power of the Lord. These are two characteristics of the Lord and we want to come under these two. The first wave of His power will change these vile bodies, etc.
I can only pray God to bring home to us more really the country and heavenly city in relation to which we stand. Stand fast in the liberty wherewith Christ has made us free. The true secret of liberty is that by God's work we are brought into His glory. The king is Lord to us. I cannot conceive anything more important than being here at the disposal of the Lord and coming under His subduing power which takes effect while the Lord is absent. I want the Lord to be more to me. I accept God's ordering down here in patience. I want to be loyal to an absent Lord and to be taken up with His interests on earth: to be using His goods diligently until He comes again. Get your direction from the Lord. The Lord will teach every one how to use His goods in His absence and when He comes in as King then will be the reckoning time to those who have been loyal to Him in His absence. I think nothing will touch me more, though I am very little, than to hear Him say "Well, good and faithful bondman ... enter into the joy of thy lord", Matthew 25:21.
John 5:17 - 47
D.L.H. You said last time that in chapter 5 we get what eternal life is.
F.E.R. Yes, chapters 5 and 6 follow on chapter 4 in a kind of moral sequence. Chapter 3 is the commandment of God, and chapter 4 is how you get to it. Chapters 5 and 6 give us the idea of what is meant by eternal life. I should connect chapter 5 with the last verse of Romans 5 and chapter 6 with the last verse of Romans 6.
D.L.H. Is the idea in chapter 5 you get the victory in regard to death?
F.E.R. Yes, in Romans 5 sin has reigned by death, and grace reigns through righteousness unto eternal life. In chapter 6 it is the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus.
J.B. Do you mean that in chapter 3 eternal life is the commandment of God?
F.E.R. I think so; you can see that in verse 16 that is the commandment of God. It is His thought for man -- His commandment, what He has ordained -- and in chapter 4 you get what follows on it. Chapter 3 is God's side and chapter 4 is ours. It is not only that you do not thirst, but the water that Christ gives is a well springing up to eternal life. Chapter 3 is for faith, and chapter 4 is the well of water in the believer.
J.S.O. Do we not get here the question raised by the Jews as to who the Lord was?
F.E.R. The point is that the accusation of the Lord brings out the unity of the Father and the Son, and the authority of the Son to deal with the whole domain of death. "Even as sin has reigned in the power of death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life ...". Romans 5:21. What comes out in
chapter 5 is the domain of death, and chapter 6 is the scene of dearth. Divine authority in the Son meets the question of death, and living bread meets dearth. That is how eternal life is brought into the world dispensationally.
D.L.H. Is it presented mediatorially in chapter 5?
F.E.R. It is in chapter 6. But it is not enough that there should be authority to deal with death; you want something to meet the dearth, that is living bread.
J.S.O. Do you distinguish between the Son of man judging and the Son of God giving life?
F.E.R. It is the Son of God who judges as Son of man. Life-giving involves sovereignty. The Son of man maintains responsibility and judges, but He also quickens whom He will in sovereignty.
J.S.O. Is the sovereignty there in view of His rights as Son?
F.E.R. It is authority which is proper to Him, but which is given to Him because He became Man. It is not conferred authority as in the kingdom. He has authority to deal with the whole question of responsibility and death.
D.L.H. He has annulled death and brought life and incorruptibility to light.
F.E.R. Quite so, people have very little sense of Christ; they believe in Him personally but do not apprehend Him officially. They do not apprehend that in which He is in regard to the universe of bliss, the system of things which is connected with Him and which comes under Him. All is there for us, we have come to it.
J.S.O. You mean displayed in Him as centre.
F.E.R. Exactly, all that will be brought to light in Him. He is everything in that order of things and we need to apprehend Him in the light of that. He is the beginning, Head, bond, centre and principal of that order. It is a remarkable expression, "the mystery of Christ" (Colossians 4:3), and also "that the Christ
may dwell, through faith, in your hearts ...", Ephesians 3:17. There is One who in unity with the Father has authority to deal with the entire domain of death. I see responsibility and death on every hand, but when I look at Christ I apprehend One with authority to deal with it.
J.B. It takes up the whole question of every one.
F.E.R. Yes, "...that an hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God, and they that have heard shall live". (verse 25). Then, "...for an hour is coming in which all who are in the tombs shall hear his voice, and shall go forth;" (verse 28). He deals with the entire domain of death.
J.B. He is God but He judges as Son of man.
F.E.R. That is because of the Father and the Son being in unity. The Son can do nothing of Himself but what He sees the Father doing. It is the most practical moral unity between the Father and the Son. There is no divergence from the mind of the Father.
J.S.O. It is remarkable how the unbelief of the Jews brings this out as to His Person.
F.E.R. Really it brings out what in all probability is one of the most remarkable revelations in Scripture, the relation between the Father and the Son.
Ques. Who are the dead in verse 21?
F.E.R. Every one is alike in the eye of God.
F.E.R. The sentence of death is upon them. It was said to Adam, "for in the day that thou eatest of it thou shalt certainly die", (Genesis 2:17), but as a matter of fact he lived hundreds of years after. In the eye of God people whether here or in their graves are under death. "... that one died for all, then all have died", 2 Corinthians 5:14. They would not be under the judgment of God if they were not morally dead.
J.S.O. Would you say a word on authority here? Do you mean that the Son receives authority from God as Son?
F.E.R. What was in my mind is that the authority of God is represented in the Son. All authority is given unto Him in heaven and on earth in connection with the revelation of God. All the authority of God is represented in the Son so that whatever the Father does the Son does; He judges and there is quickening which involves sovereignty. Judgment is committed unto Him because He is Son of man. The greatest thought in this chapter is the Son of God, and in the next chapter the Son of man.
G.J.S. Is Son of man a divine title?
F.E.R. It is an official title; it is the fulfilment of Psalm 8. The title which is properly peculiar to the Person, is the Son. It is the Father and the Son which come out here. The Son is the peculiarly personal name of Christ.
A.S.L. The Son of God is different from that?
F.E.R. I think there is a shade of difference.
A.S.L. When you said that the point in chapter 5 is the Son of God and in chapter 6 the Son of man, would you say a word as to the difference?
F.E.R. In chapter 5 the point is authority, in chapter 6 it is bread. Chapter 5 is a death scene and chapter 6 is a dearth scene. The living bread meets the dearth scene, and authority given to the Son of man deals with the whole domain of death; it is only authority which can deal with it; responsibility can only be taken up on authority.
D.L.H. What would be the difference between this and chapter 11: 25 "I am the resurrection and the life"?
F.E.R. The Lord simply says here, "... for an hour is coming in which all who are in the tombs shall hear his voice, and shall go forth". They shall go forth in connection with Him because He is the resurrection and the life. Those that are in their graves shall come out as surely as He came out.
J.B. The domain of death is broken up entirely.
F.E.R. It is dealt with in the extent of it. It is a point of the last moment for our hearts to be established in. The thought of a great many does not go beyond the soul going to heaven. I doubt if the large proportion of christians entertain the thought that there is power and authority in Christ to deal with the whole domain of death.
I suppose that the man at the pool is figurative of Israel. When the Lord comes He speaks the quickening word to them. The nation lives really by the voice of the Son of God. It is not evangelical. Quickening raises the thought of sovereignty, it comes on that line; if it were otherwise you would not have responsibility maintained, but the Lord is careful to show that it is maintained, while, at the same time there is quickening. I refer to judgment being committed to the Son. Judgment maintains responsibility; God will maintain responsibility, and yet He quickens according to His mercy, but that means bringing in sovereignty.
A.S.L. The giving of life is always connected with sovereignty.
F.E.R. I think so. In general you will find in Scripture the thought of sovereignty connected with mercy; it is so in Romans 9, 10 and 11.
A.S.B. As many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
F.E.R. That is the principle here, it is awakening. Chapter 3 presents the command of God and the outcome of it. It was His mind towards the world that He gave His only-begotten Son, and, as a matter of fact, there is a point of contact between God and man, and that is, Christ is available for every man. Men may not avail themselves of it, but it is there, and there is no other. Everything for us really depends upon the knowledge of Christ and the knowledge of the Father. We get all the good of what belongs to Christ in anticipation.
J.S.O. Mercy brings in the state of the people, and grace is rather more the style and way in which He does it.
F.E.R. Grace represents the attitude of God, it brings salvation to all men.
J.A.T. Grace is a New Testament doctrine, and mercy is an Old Testament one. It disappears in the New Testament except in those passages you quoted.
F.E.R. It is perfectly intelligible too; because grace is based on redemption. Righteousness being accomplished, it represents the attitude of God.
A.E.W. Is authority based on the cross?
F.E.R. No, it is what is proper to the Son. The right of judgment belongs to God, but now you have the revelation of God as the Father and the Son. The Lord shows that, that judgment is committed to the Son, because the Son has become Man. He secured His honour on account of His having become Man. The Son simply exercises that which belongs to God. Things are not going to be left in the world as they are, in a state of death and confusion. It is a great comfort to me to have the light of God, of the Father and the Son, and that one is acquainted with the competency there is in Him to deal with it. I cannot see how a man can desire the continuance of things as they are.
D.L.H. As we are really in the light of His victory we have plenty of food.
F.E.R. What will be fulfilled in the day of Christ's glory is available to us now in anticipation. We get death swallowed up in victory before the actual time of quickening comes. We have passed out of death into life. The word 'Son' is that in which the Son is expressed, it is expressive of Himself. I connect it with John 3 and 17. The Son is the sent One of the Father. Chapter 6 is the apprehension of the Son in another light, yet we have to apprehend Him in both lights. Many apprehend Him as having authority to meet death, but I do not know if they apprehend the
J.S.O. That would be subjective, the result of His working in us.
F.E.R. Exactly; chapter 6 is Christ bringing the good of heaven within the reach of man's appropriation. The principles of the world are lust and ambition, and it would be nothing without them, they are the moving springs in it, but Christ brings into it the good of heaven -- rest, satisfaction, goodness and love. In that way God begins again completely in Christ, and He gives character to the whole scene, He gives the new start, and all take character from Him, and, instead of a world governed by lust and ambition, He brings in a world governed by love. The world is governed by literature. People think they are going to get great light from the East, and hence you have the light of the East -- Mohammedism and Buddhism -- brought into England.
J.S.O. If you feed on the food provided in chapter 6 you do not want much else.
F.E.R. No, God can do better for the world than man by his lust and ambition. No one but a divine Person could take up what we find in chapter 5. You will never get eternal life brought into the world until death is swallowed up in victory. It is characteristic of the coming age.
Ques. Is eternal life objective in chapters 3, 4, 5 and 6?
F.E.R. In chapters 3 and 4 you get the thought of it without any explanation as to what it is. Chapters 5 and 6 really show you what it means, they show that in which eternal life really consists. Christ takes away the sin of the world and gives life to it.
J.B. The Old Testament made known things to come.
F.E.R. It hinted at it. Life is given to Christ in order that He may communicate it. Eternal life is for Christ in order that it may characterise His age, and salvation is for Him that He may have great glory in it.
J.H.K. Is eternal life for the earth?
F.E.R. That is the bearing of it in these chapters. The domain of death is not in heaven.
J.H.K. Does it go beyond the earth?
F.E.R. I think it is presented in contrast to "even as sin has reigned in the power of death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life .."., Romans 5:21. It is eternal life in the place where death has reigned.
J.S.O. You have got into the sphere of eternal life although you are here on earth.
F.E.R. Christ was here in that way and we come into it by the Spirit. Eternal life is objective in a way because Christ is it. It is the Spirit -- not the life -- which is subjective. If we know anything about it, it depends upon the light in which we apprehend Christ. It is one hearing and believing who has eternal life.
Ques. Is it characteristic of such a person?
F.E.R. Yes. It is characteristic of a person that he hears the word of Christ and believes on Him that sent Him. It is a continuing thing.
What a wonderful thing it is that He should bring to light the unity of the Father and the Son, and that was not touched in any way by the fact of the Son being Man. The Lord was working here in the presence of men, but in unity with the Father doing things shown to Him by the Father; raising up the dead is the operation of the Father. It is not only raising up the dead, but He also quickens. There are plenty of people who would tell you that there is nothing better than death, but there is One who is competent to deal with the entire domain of death and that according to God in divine wisdom and righteousness. It is all according to divine love because everything must be carried out according to the command of God.
J.S.O. How far will the knowledge of the Father and the Son be known hereafter?
F.E.R. I am not sure about that. The truth will be there for them, but the question is capability to enter into it.
J.S.O. Eternal life in regard to the saints gives you a deeper thought.
F.E.R. Quite so, it lies in knowledge, with them it will lie in fact. When the Lord comes there will be the actual quickening. Israel will be quickened and death swallowed up in victory.
Another thing is this, that even the very knowledge in which eternal life consists is qualifying us for heaven to be with God.
Ephesians 3:14 - 21
H.A.D. We had thought of taking up the assembly in connection with the world to come. We have had before "the gospel", "the will of God", "the world to come", and now we had thought of taking up the assembly, and its place in connection with the world to come.
F.E.R. The church is really more on the line of the city, the holy Jerusalem, then the world to come, as "the holy city, Jerusalem", (Revelation 21:10), but when it is a question of new heavens and earth, it is "the holy city, new Jerusalem". "Holy" is in contrast to the false city in chapter 17, and it is the "holy city" in connection with the world to come; but when you come to new heavens and new earth, it is the "new Jerusalem". It has its place in regard to both, it is suitable to both, so it is holy in the world to come, and new, when all is new. What God has been working, culminates in the city; every pledge of divine ways is gathered up in the city, with the object that God may be displayed. The harlot is the rival of the bride, and of her it says, "which has kingship over the kings of the earth".
H.A.D. You were speaking of "the Israel of God" as maintained in the church last time?
F.E.R. Yes, it is so I think; the thought of God's Israel is taken up in the companions of Christ. You see that it is entirely impossible that there should be any lapse in the ways of God.
Ques. Is that continued in the city, as seen in the new heavens and new earth?
F.E.R. Well no, all that comes to an end in the world to come, and you get a new order of things entirely; but the point is, it is suitable to both.
Ques. Is the new heavens and new earth an eternal
F.E.R. Well I suppose so, in the kingdom everything is subjugated to Christ, so that God may be all in all. Of course there is some relation between the dispensations and what is eternal; it must be so, they must have some relation to each other.
Ques. Chapter 2: 7 would be eternal purpose?
F.E.R. Yes, "That in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus". There is no doubt that all through Scripture, there is some general thought connected with the city.
Ques. Is it not the seat of government?
F.E.R. To my mind it is symbolic of imperial rule, wherever you get the idea of the city, it has that meaning pretty much. Men set to work to build a city for themselves -- Babylon came in in that way, and so too with Rome -- and it was a city which represented imperial rule. That is the thought in the harlot, it is "the great city", and it rules over the kings of the earth. That is the thought always attached to the idea of a city.
Ques. What do you mean by imperial rule?
F.E.R. The idea of "Lord of lords and King of kings" you know. You get a striking illustration of it in Babylon; there is the assumption of absolute imperial rule, and of ecclesiastical rule. It has taken the character of a city which rules over the kings of the earth, and there is the assumption of imperial rule there beyond all doubt.
Ques. That is still to be, is it not?
F.E.R. Well the harlot will yet ride the beast, but the beast hates the harlot and. casts her off. She assumes to reign over the kings of the earth; she is the rival of the holy city. A city is the expression of man's glory, "Is not this great Babylon that I have built?"
D.L.H. Cain called his city after the name of his son, that was in a way, for his own glory.
Ques. But God takes up the idea, He too will have a city?
F.E.R. Yes, I think so; Jerusalem is the city of the great King, it is no common king but the great King.
W.H.H. Why do you take up the thought from Ephesians 3 instead of from the Revelation?
F.E.R. Well you get it in Ephesians more from a christian point of view than in the Revelation. There are two great lights in which you can look at the church, inward and outward; there is an aspect of the church which is outward, and that is very specially its aspect in connection with the world to come. But then there is another aspect of the church and that is its aspect inwardly, and for God. It is inward and God-ward. The outward takes its character from the inward.
Ques. Is that the bride and the body?
F.E.R. Well I am inclined to think so, but even then the bride is presented to Christ according to Himself; holy and blameless, it is presented to Himself; suitable to Himself. You must not make the bride merely display, that was pretty much Mr. Cluff's mistake I think.
D.L.H. The bride is the vessel for the display of Christ.
F.E.R. Yes, it is Christ's body, and Christ is the life of that body. The house is really a thought taken up from what had been with Israel; so many things are taken up and applied to us whether they are new things entirely, or things which had a previous application to Israel. For instance, the house, and the flock, or sonship; all these thoughts are taken up from the previous ways of God; but then there are certain things which are entirely peculiar to the church, it is not only that they are taken up in the church, but they are peculiar to the church. I do not think there was ever such an idea in Israel as the body, that is peculiar to the church, and evidently it is peculiar to the church on account of the indwelling of the Spirit; that gives its
peculiar character to the church at once, it is distinctive of the church.
F.E.R. Quite so, and it is easy to understand that in the Spirit, Jew and gentile are built together, they are one, made to drink into one Spirit. Whatever may be the effect of the pouring out of the Spirit in the future, I do not think people will be indwelt by the Spirit, that is peculiar to the present time. All flesh will come under the influence of the Spirit, but the Lord could speak of the coming of the Comforter and say "He abides with you, and shall be in you".
Ques. Does the Spirit go when the body goes?
F.E.R. I suppose so, it is to those who obey God, and when those who obey Him are gone, then the Spirit will go too.
F.R.K. In the sense in which He dwells now I suppose. In the Revelation you get, "Yea, saith the Spirit"?
F.E.R. But that is a present utterance of the Spirit I should judge, "Blessed ... the dead ... from henceforth". You constantly get these interjections through the book of the Revelation, but they have a present bearing, a present application. For instance, "Come out of her my people", and then on the part of the Lord "I will give to him that thirsts". In the midst of all the judgments you get an appeal having a present force. In chapter 14: 13, "Yea, saith the Spirit", is a kind of response of the Spirit.
In looking at the assembly in Ephesians 3 the great point is what God is going to set forth in the church. The church is to rule but how? It is the vessel of rule, and the nations will walk in the light of it, but how? I think it will be like the sun, she will rule by the superiority of her light! The church will know more than all else, it will be so acquainted with God, and with God's ways, that it will be competent to rule. The heavenly city will be able to inform the earthly city of all
W.H.H. In that way will God administrate through the church?
F.E.R. Well, you are able to comprehend with all saints, that is, you are acquainted with the whole scheme and plan of God's ways. You are able to comprehend with all saints what is the length and breadth and depth and height. Every part of the system will be in communication.
Ques. Like John 1, "Henceforth ye shall see the heaven opened"?
F.E.R. It is that the earth is responsive to heaven, and the heavens to the earth.
Ques. What is the force of verse 10, "in order that now"?
F.E.R. For the time being the church is here upon earth, but in the time to come, the church is taken up into the heavenly places.
I think that the whole point of the prayer is, that the Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; you want to entertain the thought of the Christ. If the Christ is dwelling in your hearts by faith, you must surely take your character from Him. He has ascended up high above ail heavens, that He may fill all things; Christ is going to displace everything, just as with the sun, when he gets up in power, the early morning mists and fogs are all cleared away. So with the Christ, darkness, and clouds, and mists are all dispelled before Him, and He fills the whole scene. That is the idea to me in the Christ dwelling in your hearts by faith.
Ques. Does not the line of the hymn express it, 'The centre Thou and Sun'. (Hymn 11)
F.E.R. Yes, then you comprehend with all saints the breadth, and length, and depth and height, and know the love of the Christ which passeth knowledge. The warmth that will fill the universe of bliss, is the love of Christ. The point in the prayer is, that there might be present glory to God in the church, but there
will be glory too, to Him throughout all ages. The Christ is to dwell in your hearts by faith that you may be filled to all the fulness of God; all that is of God is set forth in Christ. Where have we learned to love one another? Why do we learn to have love one for another? Because we have perceived the love of God towards us, in Christ, we learn the love of God in Christ. To know the love of the Christ, as the verse in Mr. Darby's hymn puts it --
You cannot separate between them.
Ques. You would say that John helps Paul in that way?
F.E.R. Yes, always. God has been pleased to give us things in detail so as to help us in the understanding of them. It is just like the light shining on a precious stone, the light is all broken up into different rays, it is all variegated. The sum total of the rays is light, it is just light that will come out by and by.
I do not wish that we should get exaggerated ideas of the church and yet one must see that in the Revelation it has a most extraordinary place.
Ques. Does the future glory depend on the present knowledge?
F.E.R. The vessel is being formed; that is the present operation of the Spirit of God. In the epistles we get to a very large extent the formation of the vessel. You get in Colossians "From which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God", that is the vessel again. The, vessel is being formed that it might be according to Christ. If you take the divine idea of a wife, the husband is known in the wife; a woman does not shine in her own light, but like the moon, by the glory of another. So the woman is the effulgence of the man, and the church is being formed in the love of Christ, in order that it may be His glory.
The husband of the virtuous woman is known in the gate. There are two things, you are to be strengthened with might by His Spirit in the inner man, and the Christ is to dwell in your hearts by faith; the one answers to the other, and you must have the strengthening of the Spirit in order that the Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith. Faith presents this, that it is God's pleasure that Christ should dwell in your hearts by faith.
Ques. Would you say that you are being formed for two things, to meet the heart of Christ and to rule?
F.E.R. The two things go together. Christ is the most competent to rule, He is the Head of all principality and power, and no power knows how to rule but Christ. Acquaintance with Christ is the secret of rule. "By me princes rule". I do not see any king on earth who knows how to rule, though I may be considered radical for saying it, it is "by me", that princes rule. The extraordinary thing is that the christian is able to judge them, and to pray for them; it is by the knowledge of Christ that I am able to judge them, I discern them.
Ques. What is, "spoiled principalities and powers"?
F.E.R. He took all power out of their hand, when God was revealed in the cross the principalities and powers were spoiled, it was by the death of Christ, for in that, God was fully revealed. You get thrones and dominions too, but that is another thought, but they too are taken up. A monarch today has title by heredity, but he has to be trained for his great office; well, Christ has proved His qualification to rule and now you are compelled to judge by that standard. You cannot but see the weakness of kings and queens today, power is really in the will of the people; the power of the sovereign is really extremely small, but it is covered up by a great deal of show. In the world to come you will have a system which is maintained morally. "Thou hast loved righteousness and hast hated lawlessness". Christ will be the fountain of divine authority, and He
is meek and lowly in heart. "Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek and sitting upon an ass", but then He has got all divine power. The heavenly city takes its character from Christ, and we are being brought now into accord with Christ in mind, in nature, and everything. "If we suffer, we shall also reign with him". Who is the man who rules now? The man who will suffer. It is the man who is prepared to suffer who conquers. I believe that christianity was established in the world, because the testimony was placed in the hands of men who were prepared to suffer the loss of all things; and you can easily see that if you overcome morally now, how it qualifies the saints to rule with Christ in His kingdom. I think the Lord chose men at the first who were prepared to suffer for their testimony, and it was in that way they overcame and christianity became established.
W.H.H. There is no temple in the holy Jerusalem?
F.E.R. The earthly city is the city of the great King, but it was never wholly of God as the new Jerusalem will be. It was a city taken up by God, it was the city of David, and God saw fit to take up that particular city, but when you come to the holy city the new Jerusalem it is all according to promise, it is all of God. The kings of the earth are delighted to bring their glory and honour into it, they are delighted to see what is set forth by God in Christ. I have no doubt that greater light is taken in by Israel than by the nations, but they walk in the light of the city. Everything lies in the shining of Christ. There are certain nations which come into salvation, and they walk in the light of the heavenly city. The whole thing is explained in Ephesians 3. If you get that prayer fulfilled, everything is explained. But then how is it to be? You are to be strengthened by might by His Spirit in the inner man, but are you prepared to sacrifice the outward man? The two cannot go on together. The inner man is in contrast to the outward man, it is true of every christian. The outward
man is the man who is in touch with all that is present; and the inner man is the man who is in touch with God, and all that is of God. The holy Jerusalem is not in connection with the outward man, but the inner man. The outward man is not merely the body, but it is the man that is in touch with present things.
E.G. It used to be said that the man who is under judgment is gone in judgment, is that the outward man?
F.E.R. Oh no, that man is gone in judgment so that God might not be hindered in His work; it is the removal of the old man so that God might put the new man where the old man was. God has removed the old man in order to make room for Christ. Both terms "old man", and "new man" represent an order of man; but the "I", the individual, is the christian, and he has put off the old man and put on the new. Characteristically the new man is Christ. The inward man represents the work of God in a man; men cannot touch the inward man; if you think of the very strongest man on this earth, he is perishing, but you cannot touch the inward man. It is a mental conception. The seat of divine knowledge is the inner man.
In Galatians you are the children of the city; in Hebrews you have come to it, and in Revelation you are in it.
D.L.H. What is the force of Jerusalem, our mother?
F.E.R. That is a great point, you are the children of promise; the purpose of God is our mother, Jerusalem above is all of God's purpose and we are the children of promise. The earthly Jerusalem was David's city, and God took it up, but if I apprehend that I am of God's purpose, that Jerusalem above is my mother, and that for God, the old man is gone in judgment, then I come into liberty. You have to apprehend that the old man is gone in judgment. I think those two things are needed for liberty, the old man is gone in judgment, and that you are of God's purpose; you have come to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem;
that is the city of purpose, there is no single element in it which is not of God, and of God's purpose.
D.L.H. Then is "our mother" that we derive from the purpose of God?
F.E.R. Yes, I think so; it is the city of His purpose. What a wonderful thing it is when I come to it, that I am really according to God's purpose, He sees nothing in me but what is His work. Christianity really lies in the Spirit, and the Spirit gives realisation.
Ques. Is that like "in Christ" in Ephesians?
F.E.R. I should think so. When you come to the holy Jerusalem in Revelation there is not one single thing in it from foundation to gates that is not of God, it is all perfect, there is not a bit of man's work in it. The walls are exclusive in the very nature of it, it is so holy that it must exclude everything which is impure. Then the gates show an outward relation, and the angels are the guardians in a way; the executors of God's pleasure. When Christ was on earth He was put in the charge of angels.
Ques. Was "Henceforth ye shall see the heaven opened" fulfilled in the life of the Lord?
F.E.R. Well perhaps. In one way I do not think it is so much a question of the heavens being opened now, they were to Stephen, but today God and Christ are hid behind a veil of providences; God will come out in the city, He will be no longer hid then.
I think you have first to come to the fact that Jerusalem above is your mother, you have left earth and all earthly props. Earthly systems are all more or less bondage, but Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. Until people are free from these earthly links and attachments, they never really get free. God gives a man just light enough to deliver him from those things. Isaac was begotten of Sarah, he was the child of promise, and we are begotten of promise, we are of God's purpose.
Ques. Is this like leaving the boat?
F.E.R. Yes, people have to get free from earthly
entanglements and bondage, to get into the reality of divine things.
Ques. What about "rooted and founded in love"?
F.E.R. That is capability "You ... hath he quickened", the real power of intelligence is affection; I do not think anyone is intelligent except in proportion to his affection. So we are knit together in love, we do not get intelligence except by affection. What I feel is that intelligence requires to be more universal, and the secret of that is affection. You may get a man of very great intelligence in the world but the extraordinary thing is that very generally he is lacking in great affection, and therefore he is not broad. For my part I would much rather have a man of much affection and sympathy than a man of great intelligence. A child in one way has very great capability.
Ques. How would you understand the prayer being addressed to the "Father"?
F.E.R. I think I should connect it with the thought that counsels belong to the Father, counsels are attributed to the Father, though they all centre in the Son.
Ques. What is the thought in the families?
F.E.R. All the work of God is connected with the families, the saints, Israel indeed even in the midst of Israel you may have some select family. The 144,000 who follow the Lamb whithersoever He goeth, appear to have a very special place; they learn the heavenly song, and certainly they are very closely in contact with heaven.
Rem. It is the Spirit of the Father that strengthens you.
F.E.R. I think so; the point in the passage is that God may be livingly presented in the church. The place of the church has been greatly overlooked, people think they have got an inspired text-book in the Scriptures, but the fact is that they have got it all livingly set
forth in a vessel. Underneath what is outward, you have really got the body of Christ and God has gathered up every thread in the church.
Ques. What is the force of the 18th verse?
F.E.R. It is the whole expanse of divine purpose in Christ. I think it is most wonderful how God has acted, He set forth the responsible man first, and then when he is set aside, He set forth the Man of His purpose, and everything -- every thought of His mind -- is set forth in Him. In the Adam all died, but it is in the Christ that you are filled to all the fulness of God. It is in Christ that you are filled, and He is great enough to fill all things.
1 Peter 2:1 - 10
H.A.D. Does what we get here refer to what we get in Matthew 16?
F.E.R. It is generally said that the first epistle connects itself with Matthew 16 whereas the second epistle connects itself with Matthew 17, the first the church, and the second the kingdom. This epistle does not go properly beyond what was true for Israel, it does not go beyond what is connected with an earthly people, it does not touch the heavenly side of the truth.
Ques. Are spiritual sacrifices what God will get from Israel by and by?
F.E.R. Yes. You do not get sacrifices in heaven, and a royal priesthood, and a peculiar people do not properly connect you with heaven. It is extremely important to distinguish these thoughts which are taken up in the church, and those which properly belong to the church. There are some things which exclusively belong to the church.
W.H.H. The offering up spiritual sacrifices does not really give you the idea of association with Christ?
F.E.R. Not at all; it does not touch the idea of the church, or the bride, or the heavenly city. There are a great many thoughts which are taken up in the church, and which form part of our education, but they are not what is distinctively for the church. This epistle gives you the idea of a house, and of a priesthood, and of spiritual sacrifices, but these are 'old' thoughts, there is nothing new about them, and they will be given to Israel again in the future.
W.M. Would you say that spiritual sacrifices could be applied to Israel?
F.E.R. Yes, sacrifices which have not a spiritual significance would be of no value to God; you must
bring in the spiritual element, or they will be of no value to God at all.
T.H.B. Is the spiritual house the house of God?
F.E.R. It is the church looked at in that light. The house today is really the place of the temple, and the thought of God in the house is fulfilled in the church; but then it is in a spiritual way, and therefore in a way a contrast to what was true before, and yet it is a continuation of a privilege accorded to Israel.
W.M. When would you say you come to the living stone?
F.E.R. When you come to Christ not simply as the termination of the old order of things, but as the beginning of a new order entirely. You see that He has not come simply to remedy the old things, but to bring in something entirely new. When Peter said "Thou art ... the Son of the living God", he apprehended Christ as the new point of departure, that God had begun again in Christ. Now every previous thought of God is maintained in Christ and the companions of Christ, everything is maintained there, but nothing is yet displayed.
E.McB. If it was not maintained it could not be displayed.
F.E.R. No. The peculiarity of the present is that we have come to the fulness of the times. The dispensation of the fulness of the times has come for us because we have come to Christ. We have put it too much into the future, but the truth is the fulness of the times has come, or as we get it in Ephesians 1, "the administration of the fulness of times". It has come simply because Christ has come, it is the lack of the apprehension of that which is such a defect with us today.
Ques. When you speak of Christ as the new point of departure, what do you refer to?
F.E.R. Christ is the beginning of the whole vast system and scheme of blessing in which God will be glorified, the breadth, and length and depth and height.
All that system of things which is gathered up and centred in Christ, nothing is displayed yet, but all is gathered up in Christ.
Ques. Will Israel come to Christ as the Living Stone?
F.E.R. I do not know that the expression will apply to them, because coming to Him as the Living Stone, we as living stones are built up a spiritual house, but in that day, the temple will be restored. I was thinking of the house as the continuous idea.
J.McK. The disallowance of men must apply to the present?
F.E.R. Yes; and on the other hand He is chosen of God and precious, and then it goes on to say, "To you therefore who believe is the preciousness". It was to those who had believed in Christ, not to the nation publicly, but to those who had believed in Christ. Israel was tested by Christ, but He gathered up whatever was for God in Israel.
Rem. "Behold I, and the children which God hath given me". Christ was a point of attraction in the midst of Israel, like He was to Peter. And now all those who come to Him come to Him in His rejection.
F.E.R. Yes, He becomes a test on the one hand, but on the other everything which was for God was attracted to Him. It is in the same way that the gentiles are attracted to Him now.
Rem. And what He introduces is a new and living order, in contrast to a carnal and dead one.
F.E.R. Yes, all those who are for God among the gentiles are being attracted to Christ; it is something to Him in the soul's apprehension of Him as a Living Stone.
F.E.R. Yes, it is one thing to see Christ as Saviour, meeting all our responsibility, and quite another to see Him as the new point of departure for God. You have to share in His disallowances, you have to leave all the present order of things, and come to Him on the water. It involves leaving the world order of things, if there is
to be the apprehension of Christ as the Living Stone.
I think the thought of two heads, and two races, has very greatly bewildered people, but it is not true at all. Adam never was the real starting point for God, he was but a figure of Him who was to come, the real point of departure for God is Christ.
H.C. That is a real living Person who attracts you out of the world to Himself.
Rem. Christ gave Himself that He might deliver us out of this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father.
F.E.R. Yes, the will of God and our Father was the first thing; sin and death and the curse came in by Adam, but Christ has accomplished redemption that He might deliver us from this present evil world. But then after all Christ is the Man, He is the beginning of another world, and hence you get the fulness of times, because Christ has come. You see everything comes out of Christ, the church comes out of Christ, it is His body; then you get Israel too, and the nations, they will all come out of Him.
G.J.S. And is that the true force of "Why dost thou persecute me?"
Ques. What is the force of the expression "a living stone"?
F.E.R. It is the foundation of the building, of the house. It conveys this thought of a house built upon Christ; He is a Living Stone, and you come to Him, and you are built upon Christ; He is a Living Stone, and you come to Him, and you are built up as living stones a spiritual house. All christianity is living, and all has to do with a living God, the church is the church of the living God, and there is the house of the living God and many other thoughts. God will ensure that the building is complete, but today, and here it is a question of movement towards Him, you come to Him;
it is a question of a movement in the soul of the believer towards Him.
Ques. What is the difference between the thought of the foundation and the chief corner stone?
F.E.R. The chief corner stone is the most conspicuous stone, the crown.
D.L.H. Is not the man in John 9 a very good illustration of this point: he is first relieved by Christ, and then he finds Him again, but it is as disallowed of man; and then Christ says to him, "Dost thou believe on the Son of God", and he says, "I believe, Lord" and he worships Him.
F.E.R. Yes, quite so; and then immediately after you get the one flock and the one shepherd; and though both those thoughts belong previously to Israel they are now applied to the church, and hence they get a more spiritual character.
Ques. What is the difference between this scripture, and what Paul says, "Other foundation can no man lay besides that which is laid"?
F.E.R. Their faith was built up on Jesus Christ, it is not a question at all of the foundation of a house, but of their faith. He had laid the foundation in Corinth, and they were built upon it. The house comes in for God; God saw fit to dwell among men, He would have a response from man. He expected to find a response in service; He would so make man conscious of goodness and blessing, that He might gain a response to Himself. He dwells among men in order that He might make man alive to His goodness, and in that way secure a response to Himself on their part.
Ques. What is the idea of a sacrifice?
F.E.R. It is that which costs you something, something devoted which cannot be recalled. The offering was connected with the house and the priesthood. If God dwells among men it is for His own pleasure. What we have here is not exactly a collective idea, it is more individual. I should connect it rather with
Hebrews 13. The thought of the sacrifice is connected with the house.
Ques. Has a man the character of offering priest in his own house?
F.E.R. Yes, quite so; but he is a priest always; it is not just now and then, but he has that character continually; all our conduct ought to be governed by that. The house of God is where we come under the discipline of God. All of us ought to be careful not to take up things which are inconsistent with our priesthood. People pursuing great ends in the world are not consistent with their priesthood. This takes in the life of faith, it is a life of spiritual sacrifice; we are to offer the sacrifice of praise continually; then too we have to do good and to communicate. There are sacrifices which are man-ward as well as God-ward.
D.L.H. There is a remarkable passage in Malachi 2:4 - 7 with regard to the priest, "The priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth; for he is the messenger of the Lord of hosts".
F.E.R. Quite so; that ought to be true of every one of us. We ought to be intelligent, divinely intelligent. I think the holy priesthood is connected with the service of God, whereas the royal priesthood is more connected with their position in the world. It is not quite the same idea as Melchisedec; he was priest and king, but that is not quite the idea here. Israel was a royal priesthood, but it requires a sort of moral elevation to maintain that. No one can form part of that royal priesthood unless they are completely superior to the influences of the world. Israel was set in that place, but they did not maintain their dignity, they came down to the level of the world, and wanted a king. To be completely superior to the influence of the world, that is the idea to me of a royal priesthood. I would not care about art, taste, or any kind of influence of that sort, but I would seek to be superior to every worldly influence.
H. Would not the type of that thought come out in those who were prevented from going in to minister on account of personal infirmity, or the crooked-backed?
F.E.R. That is more the inside line, the holy priesthood; you cannot approach God freely unless you are in accord with His nature, you must be holy. I do not want to come under any influence of the world.
T.H.B. Would that be like the crown of anointing of Aaron.
F.E.R. I do not know; but it was not simply a question of Aaron, the whole nation was to be a royal priesthood.
E.McB. Do you not see this superiority coming out in such men as Elijah and Daniel?
F.E.R. Yes, you do; and look at the moral dignity of Paul! He had sought no man's gold or silver or apparel. With Abraham too.
Rem. "To do good and to communicate forget not, for with such sacrifices God is well pleased". Hebrews 13:16.
F.E.R. That is more the holy priesthood; it refers to what will come to pass when Christ comes out when it speaks of our blessing man. Moses and Aaron came out and blessed the people.
Ques. But do we not bless today?
F.E.R. Perhaps, but it is more a question of going in today, than of coming out. Israel ought to have shown forth the praises of Jehovah who had brought them out of Egypt; and so too I think we ought to show forth the praises of God who has called us out of darkness into His marvellous light; we ought to be so in the consciousness of God's goodness, that we must show forth His praises. You see everything that tends to give a man place or standing in this world is really an incubus to them. There may be spiritual energy to throw off the incubus, but for all that looked at in itself, it is an incubus. People cling to many things which are an incubus to them. You do not get the royal priesthood
first, but the holy priesthood, you have what is for God first.
Ques. Why do you exclude the thought of the Lord's day morning meeting from the holy priesthood: is it not the fact that we are a holy priesthood, that gives us boldness of entrance?
F.E.R. But boldness to enter the holiest is not the assembly, it refers to the privilege which attaches to the believer. The only epistle which speaks of the assembly come together, is 1 Corinthians. I regard entering into the holiest entirely as an individual matter; both the boldness to enter and the going in is our privilege. What we come to when we enter is more holy things, not so much the idea of holy places.
Ques. Does not boldness belong to all?
F.E.R. Yes, and if a man were in the consciousness of his privilege so much the better would he be qualified for the assembly; but then that is true of every individual who takes up his privilege he will be better qualified for taking up the assembly. But really today it is the assembly in the wilderness.
Ques. Why do you say in the wilderness?
F.E.R. Well, if I take the first of Corinthians; it never goes beyond the wilderness; it never takes you on to what is beyond, to the land, it is simply a question of the wilderness.
Ques. What is the idea of the holiest?
F.E.R. What was the holiest place to them, is more the holy things to us; it is to me the idea of entering into the whole scheme of divine wisdom in Christ; you come into the whole system of divine blessing in Him.
Ques. But do you not want boldness to enter into all that?
F.E.R. Yes, but the boldness must be got before the Lord's day morning else you will never get it at all and you will not enter. In the case of Israel the proper idea connected with the wilderness is movement, but then while that was so, the ark of the covenant went before
and sought out a resting place for them, now that is the idea of the assembly to me. The wilderness is a scene of continual movement, that is of continual exercise, but the ark goes before and it is all set up, it has found a resting place, and there you too, come to a moment of rest. At that moment you are withdrawn from the movement of the wilderness, and from all its exercises, and you come to a season of rest. I think it is the appreciation of Christ as the new point of departure; but then I go a step further, and see the whole system of blessing of which He is the Head and centre. The Head of that system is the Son of God.
Ques. How does that differ from what we have in connection with the Father and the Son?
F.E.R. Well after all the two lines run very closely together.
Ques. You do not get the Father in Hebrews. What would be the difference between John and Hebrews?
F.E.R. I think the two run very closely together. In Hebrews 10 he is taking up the thing in a way suitable to Jews, but you must read Hebrews in the light of John. He does not state things in the same way to Jews and gentiles, that is all; but the lines run very closely together. Take Colossians, you are risen together with Christ, and He is our life, our "life is hid with Christ in God", well, that is all very priestly.
Ques. What is the force of "to you ... who believe is the preciousness"?
F.E.R. The preciousness was to the believer, not to the nation as such; it was to those who believe in Him who got it, they entered into it.
J.McK. And in coming to the living stone, you are attracted to the precious One?
F.E.R. Yes, I apprehend Christ as the new point of departure, and I am attracted to Him as that. Israel looked on to Christ as some great King coming to confer glory on the nation, but it was a total mistake; you
must have the living stone before you can have the house, and you must have the house before you can have the nation. To think of the figure you must have Eve before you can get Israel. They simply thought of Christ as conferring glory on the nation, they never apprehended Him as a new point of departure altogether for God.
Ques. What is the sincere milk of the word?
F.E.R. I think it is taking up things intelligently; not at all the text-book thought. You see the fact is this, no single thing is revealed in Scripture; Scripture is the inspired record of what is already revealed. Christ Himself is the revelation, and as it says in John's epistle, "Ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things", it is the anointing teaches you all things, it is the intelligent apprehension of Christ.
Rem. In Isaiah 28 where the quotation as to the corner stone is taken from, it is in the sense of a foundation, "Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation"?
F.E.R. I think in general the idea connected with a corner stone is that of the conspicuous stone; but if Scripture calls it a foundation stone, of course it is a foundation stone.
Ques. What do you mean by saying nothing is revealed in Scripture?
F.E.R. Well, if you trace the way God has seen fit to communicate His mind, it was first through Moses, then through the prophets, then Christ came and now the Spirit is here. But when I think of the Scriptures, I see them to be the inspired record of what is revealed, but the way you get things is from the unction; you have an unction from the Holy One and know all things, that is the way Scripture puts it.
Ques. What about the "word of God is quick, and powerful"?
F.E.R. It is that it separates in the most subtle way between what is of God and what is not, and between
flesh and spirit. The position now is this, we have to do with a living Christ who has attached us to Himself by His Spirit, and He has given us an unction so that we may know all things; but on the other hand, the great point is, that the Scriptures are the test of everything. The promises were made to Abraham, they were given to him by God, and we have them chronicled for us in the Scriptures, but the way we are able to understand them, is just in proportion as we are acquainted with Christ; it is as we have acquaintance with Christ that anything and everything is unfolded to us. You really hear of Christ through the preacher, "how shall they hear without a preacher?" people get an apprehension of Christ through the preacher.
J.McK. If you had to deal with an anxious soul, would you refer them to the Scriptures?
F.E.R. Certainly, because Scripture is for doctrine, and it has authority and therefore, I should certainly refer an inquiring soul to the Scriptures; but what I should like to do with such a soul is, I would like to tell him what I know myself of God. The fact is this, Scripture is put in the place of the living witness of Christ and the church.
D.L.H. Do not let anyone go away with the idea that there is any thought of underrating the Scriptures.
F.E.R. Not at all, but do not let us overlook the living witness of Christ today and the church. The word of Christ to me has two parts, the one is His death, and the other the communication of living water; those are the two ways in which Christ is expressed.
1 Corinthians 12:12 - 31
We all recognise the existence of one body, and how it is formed; that is simply dogmatic; but I think we need to see the reason why there is one body. We ought to know in divine things the reason why. There is nothing in Scripture, so far as I know, that is intended to be taken up merely dogmatically.
Ques. Is it the displacement of Jew and gentile?
Well that is an effect of the formation of one body, but why should God bring about one body?
Ques. Is it that the one Head, Christ, might be seen here?
I have no doubt that the body is to express Christ, but I think that comes in as a consequence rather than as the reason for it.
That is what I think lies at the bottom of it. God was always bent on giving expression to unity; it was always in His mind that there should be unity. There was the thought of unity in Adam and Eve, but it broke down because will came in on the part of the woman. Then there was the same thought in Israel; there were twelve tribes, but the table of shewbread witnessed that the mind of God was that they should be one. But that unity broke down. These cases indicated that God intended to set forth unity here, and I think the reason lay in Himself. God is one, and unity is a witness to God. The unity of the three Persons of the Godhead did not come out until Christ came, but the unity was there. Then when God's thought had broken down in connection with men in the flesh the Spirit came to establish unity in the Spirit. This was consequent on redemption being accomplished. The Spirit came to form Jew and gentile into one body, that is to bring
about unity of an entirely new character from that of Adam and Eve, or that of the twelve tribes. The whole of the twelve tribes will be brought together, and unity established in Israel in a coming day; Psalm 133:1 speaks of that, "Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!"
In looking at divine things it is most important to get at the moral reason for things, and the reason is found in God Himself.
Ques. Does that come out in John 17?
Yes, the unity of the saints is to be the witness that the Father sent the Son. The thought is really carried on to glory, "I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me".
It is extremely interesting to trace the divine thought of unity in Scripture. Consequent upon the breakdown of unity in Israel, and upon the rejection of Christ, the Spirit of God came and established a unity of an entirely different character, but the thought of unity runs through Scripture.
1 Corinthians 12 brings out the truth of the unity of the body in order to meet the tendency to schism; in Romans it is brought in as a check to independency. In neither epistle is there much instruction in regard of the body; it is brought in incidentally as a check upon some tendency. Saints have to recognize that the Spirit is here to establish and maintain unity, and we have to see that we do not thwart that in any way; we have to endeavour "to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace".
The manifestations of the Spirit may be used to create schism. If some go after one teacher, and some after another, as they were doing at Corinth, it tends to use these manifestations of the Spirit to create schism. The members should have the same care one for another, not to have preferences or particular care for some. The apostle brings out the truth of the one body as a check
upon this tendency to schism, so that whatever there might be in the way of gift, the members might have the same care one for another. For instance, my eye has no particular preference for any member of my body, it has as much concern for my foot as for my hand. I am sure we have to guard against the tendency to partiality; it works out practically in some preferring teachers, and others preferring evangelists. There is a great deal of that kind of thing, and we have to watch against it. All the manifestations of the Spirit are for the good of the body; there is place for all and we have to be careful that no schism is brought about. The members are to have the same care one for another. If one member be honoured, we are not to be jealous; if a man advances spiritually, and is brought into a kind of prominence, you are to rejoice; and on the other hand, if you see a member declining, you are to be grieved.
Ques. What about heresies at the present time?
Well, heresies do arise; God allows them to be brought out to make manifest the approved. But I would say in regard of that, that I do not believe that any one christian is competent to judge of heresy. An apostle could judge of it, but I think we have to wait until heresy becomes clearly manifest, and we are dependent upon the Spirit of God to make it manifest.
Ques. Would you say a word as to what you mean by heresy?
Heresy is using some peculiarity in doctrine in order to form a party. It may be done by exaggerating some particular doctrine to such an extent that it is taken out of its proper import, and becomes a rallying point for a party.
Ques. Is not all evil doctrine heresy?
I think heresy has the forming of a party as the end in view.
Ques. May heresy arise out of a true doctrine?
The exaggeration of true doctrine might become that;
for instance, if undue importance were attached to baptism, it might become heretical as leading to the formation of a party.
Rem. Even the truth of the one body might be used in that way.
Schools of opinion are allied to heresy. Some particular opinion is the basis, and a party is formed by it.
Ques. Did you say that no one person is competent to judge of heresy?
I think you have to wait for the Spirit of God to make the character of the heresy manifest to the saints. What appears to you to be heretical may not be so after all. People sometimes judge hastily because things are contrary to their own ideas. The Spirit of God will make manifest, and we have to wait for Him.
Ques. What is the force of being made to drink into one Spirit?
We have not only been baptised by one Spirit into one body, but the unity is made effectual in saints by their having been made to drink into one Spirit; that is, the Spirit of Christ becomes characteristic of us. I take it that the one Spirit is the Spirit of Christ. "If any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his". The Spirit is often spoken of characteristically, and we have been made to drink into one Spirit characteristically.
The apostle took up the existing fact that they were one body, and they had all been made to drink into one Spirit; he does not set forth how it came about, but states the existing fact that all believers, wherever they might be, Jews or gentiles, had been baptised into one body, and made to drink into one Spirit. What we are brought into is simply an extension of it; there was no other baptism of the Spirit than what took place on the day of Pentecost; the gentile was brought into it afterwards in Acts 10. The Jew had lapsed into the world, and got away from the ground of being God's people, and then God brought about a unity, not by
marriage or by nationality, but by one Spirit.
Ques. What is the difference between the one body and the new man?
The one body presents the idea of unity, but the new man gives the thought of another order of man. There are three great witnesses to Christ. One witness is the Scriptures, another the apostles, and the third the new man. The Lord says of the Scriptures, "they are they which testify of me". Then the apostles spoke of what they had seen and handled, what had come within their own observation, and that made a difference between their testimony and all Scripture that went before. They are spoken of in John 15 as those who were to testify of Him because they had been with Him from the beginning. Then there is the testimony of the new man -- an order of man that is the effect and product of the revelation of God in Christ, characterised by righteousness and holiness of truth.
Ques. What is the meaning of holiness of truth?
It is holiness which is the effect of truth, and is characterised by truth. It is holiness of truth in contrast to ceremonial holiness. There is the same thing in principle in John 4, worship in spirit and in truth is in contrast to ceremonial worship. It is not outward holiness in the flesh.
Ques. Is it the same in the Lord's prayer, "Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth"?
His word is the expression of His mind, and when we are led into His mind it has the effect of sanctifying us -- of setting us apart for God.
The new man is created after God in righteousness and holiness of truth; it could not be created until God had revealed Himself. The new man is the witness to the fact that God has come out in Christ. Neither judaism nor philosophy could produce that man. Philosophers wrote well, and had a certain judgment of things, but they were personally corrupt. But the new man is created after God; it is the result and product of
the revelation of God. It is in the knowledge of what God is in righteousness and holiness as revealed in Christ that we come to put on the new man. The having put off the old man and the having put on the new are both truth in Jesus; it refers to the death of Christ. If the old man had not been put aside for God in the death of Christ you could not have the new man in his place. The new man is in the place where the old man was. It is we who have put off the old man, and have put on the new. God has been declared, and the effect is that the new man is here. We ought all to be concerned about it, that the new man should be seen in us as a witness to Christ. It is not simply now that the Spirit is a witness to Christ, but the work of the Spirit is a witness to Christ; there is that here which is the result of the operation of God by the Spirit.
The one body is for divine complacency. I think that comes out in Colossians; we see there the place it serves; it is the first-fruits of reconciliation. The body holds the Head, and increases with the increase of God, and so there is divine complacency.
Rem. There is nothing so precious to God as the body of Christ.
Christ was infinitely precious to God when here on earth, and now the body is here for divine complacency as the first-fruits of reconciliation. The body is descriptive of all the graces of Christ. In Colossians it is "Christ in you the hope of glory". In Ephesians the thought is that the body is adequate for the setting forth of the glory of Christ; it is like the heavenly Jerusalem; it is a vessel which can carry the full blaze of divine glory. It is the fulness of Him who filleth all in all, and that refers to ages to come, for Christ does not yet fill all things. There is nothing in the body which is not of God, and the body is increased by the increase of individuals in the knowledge of God, that is, by divinely given intelligence. We can help one another; it is by joints and bands that nourishment is ministered.
Sisters have a place in that as much as brothers; spiritual sisters have much place in the body as joints and bands. The body is the first-fruits of reconciliation, so that God has a spot of complacency. All the sensibilities of Christ, as Mr. Stoney used to say, are found in the body. There is the word of Christ, and the peace of Christ, and Christ is everything and in all. The body is the continuation of Christ morally; Christ has been here under the eye of God, and the body is here as a continuation of Christ, and of all that was expressed in Him. The body is to be descriptive of Christ under the eye of God for the complacency of God.
Rem. God has tempered the body together, and made every part suitable to the other.
Yes, and we have to look to it that there should be no schism in the body, but that the members have the same care one for another. We ought to guard against partialities and particular intimacies. If people become peculiarly intimate it works sometimes in the direction of cliques and parties. We have to remember that our links are spiritual, and there is to be no preference or partiality. It does, not matter to me whether a person is high-born or low-born, rich or poor. Christ takes account of people in an entirely different way; the first are last, and the last first. We have to take account of people in regard to Christ, and as of a spiritual order.
When we come together in assembly we come to meet one another. I do not think that is the ultimate object, but it is the immediate one, and we have to see to it that we meet one another in spiritual affection, outside every worldly distinction. It is spiritual links which bind us together, and if we are not right with one another in that way, we shall not meet the Lord. The Lord enunciated the principle, "first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift", and we have to act upon that principle.
Rem. There may be other difficulties as well as social ones, such as personal peculiarities.
Well, the great thing is to approach people carefully, and seek to gain them; it never does any good to go full tilt at a person's peculiarities.
Rem. When we come together we ought to be conscious that we are members one of another.
Yes, and that in a vital way, because all that Scripture expresses to us is vitality. Things are expressed to us in the way of doctrine, but what is expressed in doctrine is really vitality. It would be a great joy to saints to come together if they realised that they had been made to drink into one Spirit, and if they recognised one another according to Christ. Coming together in assembly is more than the mere formal meeting; we come together in assembly with "one accord". Partaking of the one loaf is the symbol of this. "We being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread".
Ques. What is meant by Acts 2:42, "They continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers"?
The apostles' doctrine was the standard and basis of fellowship. Without the basis of revelation there would be no real ground for fellowship. Then fellowship, breaking of bread, and prayers follow in divine order.
When the saints come together it is the assembly in function, and when thus together we have to recognise the distinction between male and female, because the woman is to be silent in the assembly. But really when we come to look at the body or the bride of Christ in its own proper character there is neither male nor female; the most marked distinction which exists after the flesh is gone is Christ. What difference can Christ make between a duke and a beggar? All these distinctions disappear before Christ. The value of the assembly as come together is that we find out our relation to one another and to Christ.
Ques. Has gift no special place when we come
No, I do not think so. There are manifestations of the Spirit in the body, but all the members are to have the same care one for another. We have to take account of one another according to what we are to Christ. We are all equal objects of affection to Christ, and we have to think of one another in that light. I do not think the assembly comes together for the exercise of gift. Gifts may be present, and it is a great thing to be in a state to be contributory to the assembly, but each one should come there, as Mr. Stoney used to say, with his mind like a clean sheet of paper. The true preparation for the assembly is to enter the holiest, so that in the effect of it we may be efficient when we come together in assembly. No one can tell how the Lord may lead.
Ques. I suppose gift would be recognised in other meetings?
Yes. A teacher waits on his teaching, seeks opportunity and has it; so too the evangelist waits on his work, and the exhorter on his.
The great point is to see the purpose the body is intended to serve at the present time. I believe it is for divine complacency. It is the first-fruits of reconciliation, and it is marked by holding the Head -- the Head in the widest sense possible, the universal Head.
Ques. What is the thought in "ye are the body of Christ"?
The church at Corinth had that place, but they needed to recognise that they were Christ's body; there was that coming in which was of man, and it had really no place there.
The truth of the body is to regulate us at all times in our relations to one another. We have to take up certain things here which do not belong to this order, but the more we are in the truth of the body, the more we are qualified and helped for all that lies in the will of God for us down here. The relations which subsist in the body must have the first place; spiritual ties are
superior to natural ties; and a person converted in a worldly family will soon find that the truth of the body will bring in trouble with his relatives.
Philippians 2:1 - 30
The epistle to the Philippians does not present doctrine to us; it is taken up with the state of the saints. The apostle says, "I have no man like-minded, who will naturally care for your state". This gives it an individual character.
Rem. I thought it was more as a company going on together.
Well, if you do not get that you do not get christianity, but when it is a question of state it must be very individual. There can be no christian conduct or affection apart from state. We are to be "blameless and harmless, the sons (children) of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world".
This chapter gives us a clue to the way in which christian state is reached; the way to life is through death. "Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus". You have to humble yourself down to death in order to come out in life; it is only through death that you can reach the result spoken of here -- shining as lights in the world. No man can possibly get out of the world except by death. We have to enter into the fellowship of the death of Christ, to take up the cross and follow Him.
In Romans we learn first principles, it is elementary; but Philippians gives the experience of one who has entered the land, and who has apprehended the breadth and length and depth and height. It is the experience of the heavenly man -- the Ephesian -- in the wilderness. The apostle puts it forward, and it was answered to in a remarkable way in himself. The experience of Joshua and Caleb in the wilderness must have been very different to that of the others, for they had been in the
land, and had surveyed it in the length and breadth of it, and that was bound to affect the experience in the wilderness.
Ques. What is it to hold forth the word of life?
No one can hold forth the word of life if he is not himself in life. "We know that we have passed from death unto life because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death". The testimony of life is held forth in the ways, and conduct, and demeanour of the children of God. "The word of life" means the expression of life. People have been too much occupied with the doctrine of life, but we want to get at the thing itself. If we are in life we shall be able to hold forth the word of life, and not merely to quote Scripture. Christ came that we might have life, He is the Tree of life; He will be the Source of blessed and health-giving influences and principles which will go out to the utmost extremity of the universe of bliss. The nations will be healed, and will become occupied with what is good. The Lord said, "Ye will not come to me, that ye might have life". When we have the consciousness of being in life, then we understand the doctrine.
"Holding forth the word of life" is the witness to Christ that goes out from a circle characterised by light and life. The same things come out in Ephesians, but there they are spoken of as light and love. There is a circle where you get a continuation of Christ down here, and you could not be in life apart from that circle. Life is individual, and yet there must be a company, for it is in relation one to another that life and fruit come out. The question of state must be individual, but all the Spirit's work is in view of our relation one to another. The object of the Spirit is to set us in relation one to another according to God.
Ques. What is the force of "work out your own salvation"?
Salvation is a large expression. Israel had salvation
from the power of the enemy at the Red Sea, but you must carry the thought further than that. Salvation means a new order of things, and it really involves the putting off the old man, and putting on the new. If people are entangled with the world system they do not realise salvation. Salvation is really inherent in Christ; it is "in Christ Jesus". He said, "By me if any man enter in, he shall be saved". Every epistle leads up to salvation.
The great effort of many in the present day is to assure people that they have salvation while they yet remain in the world. You cannot remain in the world system, and at the same time be in salvation. Abraham left the world system, and Moses left Egypt. I could not say they were in salvation, for Christ Jesus had not come, but they illustrate the principle.
Believing on the Lord Jesus is the road to salvation, but salvation itself is in Christ Jesus by the Spirit. We believe the testimony presented to us in the gospel, but we come into the life of things by the Spirit. It is by the Spirit that we are brought into living relations with Christ.
The Philippians, in the absence of the apostle, were thrown upon their own responsibility. They were exposed to many snares, and there was necessity that they should be on the alert, and work out their own salvation with fear and trembling. We need fear and trembling in regard of the enemy's snares, and in regard of ourselves. The dangers are very real; the world's influence besets us on every side.
Salvation has been effectuated for us by the washing of regeneration and the renewing of the Holy Spirit. Our side of that is that we are clear of the whole system which is obnoxious to God, and in which we were previously entangled. The Hebrews were in danger of neglecting the great salvation; it is most important that we should not do so, but that we should turn the salvation to account. Our position should be definite,
either in the world or in the christian circle; the effort for centuries has been to mix the two. As the inward man is strengthened and becomes more capable, salvation is more realised. If we were set for the will and pleasure of God here we should realise salvation, and He is working in us to this end. Saints in the early days needed these things to be opened up to them as we do. God works in us, not only to do, but also to will: that has often been a great comfort to me. The way in which God's good pleasure works out in us is in our relations one with another; it is by our being in the reality of the christian circle.
It is an important point that in assembly we meet one another. Coming together in a formal way at a certain place and time does not secure the Lord's presence. But if we come together as the children of God in the unity of the Spirit, and in spiritual affection, we meet the Lord, If it is only a question of coming at an appointed hour on Lord's day morning, you may as well go to a chapel. Many nave the idea that it is a more scriptural way of meeting, and do not apprehend that we meet in the light of Christ's assembly. If people have strife and envy amongst themselves, how can they have the presence of the Lord? The coming together to break bread is a great test as to our relations one to another, The obligation lies on each one to judge himself. If we came together in that way the Lord would draw nigh to us. If there is a difference we are to forgive as Christ forgave us, and that is pretty absolute! The secret of these personal differences is that people are unspiritual.
Saints ought not to come under reproach; we are to be blameless and harmless. In the early days the effect of the influence and testimony of a company answering to this description must have been marvellous, and especially as having just emerged out of heathendom.
The apostle was prepared to be a martyr for the faith; he was prepared to go on to the end that the truth might
remain. Apart from grace any one of us might apostatise; we are only kept by the power of God through faith. If I were confronted with being burnt alive I could not count upon my own stedfastness, I could only count upon God; no christian could trust himself. A man is very foolish who trusts himself.
We have to look to it that we are in the reality of things. I have no inclination to build up brethrenism. If it is not the reality of spiritual affection, and what is of God, I do not care anything about it.
Romans 7:1 - 4
I think it is a little remarkable to notice how the thought of union appears through Scripture. You will find it pervading Scripture from the beginning. In the first great relationship formed was the thought of union; God made a woman and brought her to the man, and union was brought about. That thought came out very early in Scripture. Then the same thing came out in regard to Israel. God was a husband to them, but they were like an unfaithful wife. Then when we come down to our own time and the church, we get again the thought of union. It fills a large place in connection with christianity. In this chapter there is the thought of union -- to be married to another.
In the beginning God did not think it well that man should dwell alone. After the fall a husband becomes a necessity. It is from a husband we get support. Christ is that to us that we may bring forth fruit to God. Israel, too, will be brought back to their Husband, to Jehovah, that they may bring forth fruit to God.
This thought of union pervades Scripture, Christ as the Bridegroom. The Lord speaks of Himself in that character. "The bridegroom cometh". It is a very wide expression in regard to Christ. It is the One who comes to enter into relationship with what is for God down here, and all will obtain the moral support of the Bridegroom.
Now I want to come to the point of this chapter. It is of all moment that we should bring forth fruit to God. God looks for fruit. The Lord cursed the fig-tree, but there was fruit to be found for God. Now the mystery is solved and we know the secret through which fruit is brought forth. No one would contest for a moment that it is suitable that there should be fruit for
God. It is wonderful that God should care for fruit. God is good -- all will admit that -- and God delights in that which is good. He has no pleasure in evil, but He has delight in that which is good, and fruit is good. God is pleased to present to us what I may call a great central figure. That is of all moment to apprehend. All Scripture is detail. The more you read the more you see it. For all has to be put in its place, fitted in with the central figure, and you must get the figure before you to understand the detail. If you have not got the central figure into which the detail fits you will never understand Scripture. The object of preaching is to present to us the attraction of Christ. Christ is the great central figure, and we become attached to Christ by the Spirit of Christ. What the preacher presents is the attractiveness of Christ. "I ... will draw all to me". That is the way I should judge the effectiveness of a preacher. The measure of a preacher is his ability to present the attractiveness of Christ. Their great object is to enlarge us in the apprehension of the attractiveness of Christ. What is preached is in the name of Christ, and His name is presented as a name of attraction. The apostles knew full well how to present Christ, and they presented all the attraction in Christ in a powerful way. If we assume to preach, our point should be to present the attractiveness of Christ.
Now there is another thing God has in view, and that is that He has the purpose to deliver us, to detach us from all those things by which men are bound. If there is attachment on the one hand, God is working equally on the other hand to bring about detachment. Souls are drawn to Christ but there is another object in view, they are to be delivered from this present evil world. Christ died for our sins; He was the blessed expression of grace and truth, but with the end in view that He might deliver us from this present world according to the will of God and our Father. I could not impress upon you too strongly what this world is in the eye of God.
Scripture speaks of the friends of the world as adulterers and adulteresses; stronger language could not be employed to describe those who go on in commerce with the world. They are unfaithful, they enter into commerce with that which is hateful to God. Deliverance from sin means that we are dead to the world. There is deliverance from law in chapter 7 and in chapter 8 we are not in the flesh but in the Spirit. All these things go together, and the Spirit lies at the bottom of all. The Spirit is life. A man cannot deliver himself from sin, it is only by the Spirit of God that a man can take that place. And so, too, in regard to the law; we are free from law, for God has dissolved that bond in order that we might be married to another and bring forth fruit to God.
Now the real secret of all deliverance lies in the Spirit of God, or attachment to Christ. It is only in that way that any of us is kept in this world. We are kept on the principle of attachment to Christ. The one who is true to Christ is not prepared to go on in sin. He will not be lawless, but duly subject to Christ, walking here under the rule of Christ. That is where we want to be found down here. People try all kinds of experiments to escape the world, but they do not succeed. But the divine way is for people to be kept in their souls, and the principle is attachment to Christ. A faithful wife's constant thought is fidelity to her husband.
Now the effect of all that is fruit for God. In deliverance and salvation you will have fruit. The same principle guarantees deliverance from what is not according to God. The same power which enables me to bring forth fruit is the same power that maintains me in deliverance from this world. The point is fruit-bearing. There was no fruit-bearing till Christ came. God's design is that whatever fruit there is should be by Christ. Then we can understand the character of fruit acceptable to God. God looked for fruit, but He did not find it. All God's ways looked forward to Christ.
Now that One has come and He is the true Head and the beginning and centre of the universe of God, and that world of glory and blessing in which God will be glorified. Christ is the Head of every part of it. Therefore in that system God will be glorified and there will be fruit for Him. Nothing can be more important than the apprehension of Christ in that light. When Adam was here he was not the real man for God, but now the real Head is before God, and everything is attached to that Head. We could not say that Christ was fruit for God. It would not be reverent to speak thus. But God looks for fruit from man and Christ is the source of all fruit, and in Christ we learn the character of fruit acceptable to God. We must not bring Christ down to our level. He is the source of fruit. He was the true vine, not the branches. The fruit came out on the branches, but they were dependent on the vine. So now in Christ you learn what fruit is. Fruit is the expression of Christ in us. What can be acceptable to God except what is of Christ? We get it as the effect of union with that One, thus He is expressed in us. It is the result of attachment to Christ. God has been pleased to bring me into attachment to Christ by the Spirit of Christ, and in proportion as Christ is appreciated I bring forth fruit to God. So it is not difficult to discern the character of fruit. Christ now is expressed in us by the Spirit of Christ, and the fruit of righteousness is by Jesus Christ to the praise and glory of God. It is not only that there is fruit-bearing, but we know by Christ what the true character of fruit is. Christ brought all that was divine into manhood. Love and joy were not expressed in a man until Christ came. He was everything that was acceptable to God, the delight of heaven, and we are brought into attachment to Christ that He might be expressed in us down here: and that is fruit for God. The earth is the scene of fruit for God. Christ was the true vine, and now we are married to Him who was
raised from the dead to bring forth fruit for God.
Now anyone will see how that is connected with the thought of deliverance. There is no fruit for God in the world either at its best or its worst. God has tested that system and it is obnoxious to Him. It is a system governed by principles intensely hateful to God: lust and pride and the mammon of unrighteousness. Riches are worshipped, for they minister to pride, and pride and lust are entirely opposed to God. So the friend of the world is constituted the enemy of God.
Now God has set Himself to allure us from all that system, and it is by the power of the attraction of Christ. We know the One now who is the beginning and centre of another system, and He has tasted death in order that the system should be set forth. The Spirit of Christ attaches the soul to Christ, and it is a great thing when that is brought about. When you get appreciation of Christ you get fruit for God.
This chapter takes up the detail of the things that hold us. We shall never get deliverance doctrinally. Deliverance is only to be found in the appreciation of Christ. Salvation is in Christ Jesus. You grow up to salvation because salvation is in Christ, and if a man is conscious of attachment to Christ he knows that what God has brought about is to deliver him from all that held him in bondage. Then he brings forth fruit to God, While bringing forth fruit he has part in the expression of Christ down here. The great witness to Christ down here is the Spirit of Christ. It is Christ characteristically in the saints. Nothing short of that can be a true witness to Christ. Now what we want is that every saint might be brought into the reality of the witness, that he might have part in the expression of Christ down here on earth.
These chapters are of the greatest moment to us. They indicate the divine starting-point. He is the true Husband, and the object of it all is that we might be consciously connected with the One who is Head.
I can only bring forth fruit in proportion as I have appreciation of Christ. Christ has given me living water to bring that about. The Spirit of Christ is given to lead us into the appreciation of Christ in that light. Fruit is not connected with heaven but with earth. Our relation to Christ is very different to what Israel's will be. We are united to Him, brought very close to Him that we might have a great knowledge and apprehension of Christ and become vessels in which Christ is expressed. You get liberty from the world. There is no contentment in the world, but it is found in Christ, and when you have found it in the appreciation of Christ He will be expressed in you and there will be fruit for God. God does not intend us to be self-sustained, but dependent on Another -- on Christ -- to bring forth fruit.
2 Kings 7:1 - 20
I am taking up this incident as an illustration of the truth of the gospel, and I have no doubt that the leprous men express the condition of man in the sight of God. I will take up the circumstances till the point is reached when they become evangelists.
The state of things was full of distress; a famine in the city and the enemy without. To remain in the city meant starvation, things looked as dark as they could be. But there was the intervention of God for His people; they were crooked and perverse, but God regarded them, and the mercy of God was not only to deliver them but to meet their need. God came in to deliver them from the fear of the Syrians, and their need was met by abundance of food. Death stared them in the face. There was dearth within and the enemy without. Now that is the state of things in the world today, there is the enemy without and dearth within. The world is a scene of dearth; that is felt in the moment of weakness and death, people have nothing to satisfy their soul. There is plenty to minister excitement, but nothing to minister satisfaction, because men do not seek it in the right place. People think that if they could get this or that, they would be content, but satisfaction cannot be found apart from God. Man cannot be really happy without God.
The condition of these four leprous men was very pitiful. They were outcasts from the city and their situation was desperate. They say, If "we will enter into the city, then the famine is in the city, and we shall die there: and if we sit still here, we shall die also". They would die in the city or out of it, and so they proposed to go into the camp of the enemy, and when they got there they found that God had come in in some
extraordinary way; the camp was left, and everything standing, and the Syrians fled. They had fled under the influence of imaginary terror. These leprous men's new circumstances were quite overpowering. The condition of things was beyond their necessity. They say, "This day is a day of good tidings, and we hold our peace", and that led them to become bearers of good tidings to the city. Those in the city investigated and found that the state of things was as reported. They found that the enemy had gone and that there was abundance of food according to the word of the Lord.
These things happened long ago and are not in themselves of very much moment to us, but the circumstances furnish an illustration of what concerns us very much. We are much in the position of these leprous men. A leprous man was defiled; he could not come into the city, he was disqualified for man and God. Every man is really leprous under the eye of God. He may not be so in the eyes of his fellows, but in the sight of God every man is defiled. The Lord says, "Out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries", etc., and these defile a man. A man may be defiled by reading bad books or looking at bad pictures, but the secret of defilement is from within. There never yet was, since sin came in, a really pure man in this world. Some people are more corrupt than others, but there never was a pure person in this world, for there is a spring of defilement within. I do not speak of what you are in the eyes of your fellows, but of what you are in the eye of God. I have come to know what I am myself in the sight of God, and we are all alike defiled and leprous and unfit for His presence. If a man of this world were taken to heaven, he would not care to be there; God's presence would give him no pleasure and he would be glad to get out of heaven. There are degrees of defilement, but as to principle all are alike. We are all leprous men in the eye of God, and all unfit for God, like the prodigal in the far country.
Now these leprous men had no doubt of their leprosy. They knew it, and it is a great point when we are conscious that we are leprous. The beginning of all hope for man is when he is conscious that he is leprous. It was thus with the prodigal when he came to himself. He was a leprous man before, but when he came to himself he was conscious of it.
Now I will touch upon the course the leprous men took in going down to the enemy. They thought that possibly there might be a door of hope that way. There is a very remarkable scripture in one of the prophets, "I will give ... the valley of Achor for a door of hope", Hosea 2:15. The valley of Achor was the place where Achan and his house were stoned (Joshua 7). They had defiled Israel by their covetousness; judgment was executed upon them, and the place of judgment is to become a door of hope. The leprous men thought that possibly there might be a door of hope in the camp of the Syrians. When a man is leprous and conscious of it, it is well for him to look the enemy in the face, for he has got to meet the enemy, that is, death and judgment. Many people imagine that everything is going to terminate in death, but there is no real reckoning in this life. A good man may suffer, while a bad man may prosper in his wickedness. It appears to me that if God is God there must be a reckoning day, and Scripture says, "It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment", that is, the reckoning day is beyond death. God might have put the reckoning day on this side of death, but He has seen fit to put it the other side. "Those that have done evil, to resurrection of judgment". You have to face the enemy. Death is a tremendous enemy. Death reigns, and will conquer you, and judgment is appointed after death.
I speak to those who recognise the authority of Scripture, and what I would advise you to do is to go down and look the enemy in the face and see if it is not possible that in the valley of Achor is a door of hope.
Do it fairly; do not put it off till tomorrow. There is a gleam of hope to those who look the enemy in the face. People are not disposed to do it, but it is wise if you have to meet it. Do not defer it till it comes upon you; look it in the face and see if it is not possible that there is hope.
Now I want to show that, in place of hope, there is a great certainty. The love of God has come down into the place of death and judgment that man may find a way of deliverance from the enemy, the fear of death. The love of God has taken all that into account. You have all heard of Jesus, the Son of God, the One who died upon the cross. He died upon the cross in order that He might bring the love of God into the place of man's enemy, death. The Son of God has died that man might be freed from the fear of death and from the certainty of judgment. God has been pleased to open the door of hope by Himself coming down by the Son. I want you to believe in the love of God and how it has been expressed, in the Son of God. He died to make known the love of God toward men and to communicate the Spirit to man, so that man might live. God has intervened, and His Son has come under the judgment to which we are liable. If you are prepared to recognise that you are leprous and you will look the enemy in the face, you will very soon see how the love of God has been expressed in the death of Christ, that God might impart the Spirit of life to those who believe, that they might not perish but have everlasting life. If God has loved man, God has loved you. The "kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man" have appeared. "God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life". None here are beneath the notice of God. His love has been expressed to men in the death of Christ, and he who believes receives God's gift. It cannot be given to a man who is indifferent to all that lies before him and to the love of God, God cannot
give him any gift; but a man who faces the reality of things, apprehending his own defilement, and who sees how that in the valley of Achor God has opened a door of hope, to that man God gives eternal life. Death has no terror for that man, and he never will come into judgment, because Christ is the propitiation for his sins. That is what I want all to receive, the witness of divine love in the death of Christ and in its application to everyone. That love of God that has had its perfect expression in the death of Christ is towards all. God wants that all your wrong thoughts should be dispelled.
Have you received from God the Spirit of life? Many here have. You will not get it without faith. Do you believe in the death of Christ as the expression of the love of God? You will have to face death and judgment in their terrible power, but you may look at them now and find in them a door of hope. God has made death itself the expression of His love to man, that you may no longer fear death.
If you believe that, you get the Spirit of God. God gives the Spirit, in order that man may live without fear of death and judgment. The effect will be to make you evangelists. You will go home and tell your friends what great things God has done for you. It is when people have believed the glad tidings that they become evangelists. It is a great day in a person's life when he can go and tell his friends what great things God has done for him and has had mercy on him.
But there was a nobleman who had ridiculed the word of the prophet. In those days everything was by the word of the prophet; in this case Elisha was the prophet. This nobleman was a skeptic, and when the prophet foretold abundance, he said: "Behold, if the Lord should make windows in heaven, might such a thing be?" In the day of good he got no good; he saw the abundance with his eyes, but never tasted of it. The nobleman is a warning to those who profane and ridicule the testimony; they may see the good with their eyes,
but will not taste of it. His position did not save him from the judgment of his profanity.
It is of all importance to be prepared to face realities. Death and judgment are upon man and he cannot evade them. Judgment is an absolute moral necessity, in order to maintain the relative positions of God and man. The reckoning day is before men. If you look these things in the face, there is a door of hope for you. Divine love has come in that you may believe in God and receive from Him the gift that God gives, the Spirit. May God grant that you may not be indifferent. There are many who have received the gift of God, and God is no respecter of persons. God gives to the believer the gift of the Spirit without money and without price. Everyone that thirsts is to come and drink. May you believe in the love of God expressed in the death of Christ that you may receive from God what God gives.
1 John 2:7 - 28
The apostle was not writing to the saints here exactly with the view of teaching, but with the object of keeping them in right lines. The point in the latter part of the chapter is that they had an unction from the Holy One and knew all things; the apostle says, "ye have not need that any one should teach you". He sought to guard the saints, because there were many antichrists. There were those seeking, even in that day, to introduce the corrupt thing that we have around us. The Son of man sowed good seed in His field; but no sooner had the seed been sown than the enemy came and sowed tares. The tares and the good seed were almost contemporaneous. The antichrists went out early, but they did not revert to what they had previously been; they set on foot the corrupt system which we see around.
If, when people departed from the truth they had returned to what they came out of, to judaism or heathenism, it would have made matters comparatively simple; but they did not do that; they started some counterfeit of the truth, and that tended to make matters difficult. What we get in the epistle is apostolic care to guard the saints from being carried away by what was not of the truth. At the same time the Spirit of God, by the apostle, insists very strongly upon the fact that the saints had the truth in them. "Even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him". Now, if the saints in that day could be marked off, as they appear to be in this passage, into different gradations, I judge the same thing might hold good today. We do not know much about one another, but in the present time it would probably be possible to find the fathers, the young men, and the little children.
I will make one remark before passing on to what is
characteristic of each stage of advance. A young man does not lose what is proper to the babe. There is not growth in that sense. In natural things, when a babe grows to a youth, a youth to a young man, the youth ceases from the things of the babe, and the young man from the things of the youth. But that would not always hold good in divine things. There is that which is characteristic of the young men; but the young men do not lose that which was proper to the little children, and the same thing would apply to the fathers. The apostle has only one thing to say in regard to them, and that is that they had known Him which is from the beginning. But that which was descriptive of the young men and of the little children remained with the fathers. That is an important point to bear in mind. If we advance, we do not lose what characterised us in what we have advanced from. You may get saints entering upon the land of promise, that is, on the ground of divine counsel, but they do not lose what is proper to the wilderness, for we are in the wilderness, and whatever advance we make in the knowledge of divine counsel we never can lose the things which are proper to the wilderness. We have to continue in the faith, and not be moved away from the hope of the gospel; that must have its application to us so long as we are in our present condition. It is a great mistake to think that you can march through the wilderness into the land, and have done with the wilderness. In spirit we may enter upon the ground of divine promise; but you can never take yourself out of the wilderness, you must wait until the Lord comes to take you out of it.
Meantime every christian in the wilderness is himself an evidence of the truth. We see that coming out in the fifth, sixth, and seventh chapters of John. In the fifth of John, he lives by the voice of the Son of God, and is thus an evidence to the Son of God. Time was when he was dead; he did not hear the voice of God at all. The man that does not hear the voice of God, proves he
is dead; but the one that has heard the voice of the Son of God and lives, is a standing witness to the truth of the Son of God. In chapter six the believer is in the wilderness, and finds bread. Every christian is a witness to that. He is in the wilderness, a dry and thirsty land; but in a land of dearth, he finds experience of grace. That is witness of the Son of man. Then in chapter seven, out of his belly flow rivers of living water. He is a witness to the Spirit of God. It is a testimony to the power of the Spirit, keeping the soul in the joy of the Lord.
The individual believer in the wilderness is an evidence to the Son of God, the Son of man, and the Spirit of God. If challenged by an unbeliever or a heathen, he ought to be prepared to say, 'I carry the evidence of the truth in my own person'.
Now to come back to our passage. What marks the babes is, they have an unction from the Holy One, and know all things; what marks the young men is, that the word of God abides in them; and what characterises the fathers is, they have known Him which is from the beginning. As babes have an unction from the Holy One, and know all things, they stand in relation to every divine Person, that is the truth of things at the moment. Every christian knows the Father, because christianity is based on the revelation of God as Father. You would scarcely account a person a christian if he did not know the Father. The fact of the Son having come, proves that the Father is revealed.
Then we stand in relation to the Holy One, for we have received the living water from the Holy One, and stand in relation to Him; and further, we have the unction from the Holy One abiding in us. The christian does not lose the anointing, it continues in him. It is not like the Spirit of Christ coming upon the prophets in Old Testament times; the anointing abides. That began with Christ Himself, the Holy Spirit descended and abode upon Him. When the baptism ofTHE WAYS OF GOD IN THE GOSPEL
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THE SPIRIT IN THE HOUSE
SPIRITUAL VITALITY
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